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Anybody who is going to be shocked at what happens as far as aggressive policies aimed at women, minorities, immigrants, the elderly, and the lower income brack

by kemiller2002 2y ago

Anybody who is going to be shocked at what happens as far as aggressive policies aimed at women, minorities, immigrants, the elderly, and the lower income brackets really has no excuse. They haven't been shy in stating their intentions. You can say you made a choice to support it, but don't hide and say you didn't know.

voisin 2y ago
100%. In 2016 it was fair to be shocked that he meant what he said literally rather than figuratively in a crass manner of getting elected. I think everyone expected he would cut to the middle once elected, as he was a New York democrat for his whole life. But in 2024 we now know that when he says something he means it.
- kemiller2002 2y ago
  I will firmly admit, that in the 2015 primaries I thought he was the lesser of 2 evils between him and Ted Cruz. I will absolutely state that I was foolish and wrong. That's not happening again.
  - nerdponx 2y ago
    Cruz would have been much better because then Clinton would have crushed him and none of this 12-year (4 more to go) nightmare would have happened.
  - selimthegrim 2y ago
    Cruz was bought and paid for by Christian theocrats, while Trump seemed more human and relatable/tolerable at the time.
bongodongobob 2y ago
They won't be shocked, it's literally what they wanted and why people voted the way they did. You can't just blame corruption or something anymore. It's what people want.
- kemiller2002 2y ago
  And that is the saddest part of all.
- ks2048 2y ago
  I think lots of voters want "let's deport all illegal immigrants!" I think they would be shocked if they understood what kind of operation it would take to deport 15 million and what the side effects would be. For comparison, the entire (huge) prison population is 1.9 million. I think some terrible things will happen to immigrants (and people suspected of being immigrants), but this scale doesn't seem possible and will be fought against by powerful interests (businesses employing them, etc).
  - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
    Maybe they should just do what Canada does and have really high civil/criminal penalties for employing illegal immigrants (so no job, they just go back because no work)? The problem is that a lot of farmers, hotel owners, and people who work construction projects vote Republican also, so it seems like that will never happen in the US.
    - ks2048 2y ago
      I could image a gradual shift to something like that. But if 15 million workers can't work suddenly, there aren't people to do those jobs. Those people also buy groceries, pay rent, etc.
      - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
        Ya, but being more honest about immigration is better in the long term. Well, I say that, but that's what Canada did and people (not just conservatives) are still angry. Instead of blaming illegal immigrants, however, they just blame legal ones.
        boringg 2y ago

voisin 2y ago

100%. In 2016 it was fair to be shocked that he meant what he said literally rather than figuratively in a crass manner of getting elected. I think everyone expected he would cut to the middle once elected, as he was a New York democrat for his whole life. But in 2024 we now know that when he says something he means it.

kemiller2002 2y ago
I will firmly admit, that in the 2015 primaries I thought he was the lesser of 2 evils between him and Ted Cruz. I will absolutely state that I was foolish and wrong. That's not happening again.
- nerdponx 2y ago
  Cruz would have been much better because then Clinton would have crushed him and none of this 12-year (4 more to go) nightmare would have happened.
- selimthegrim 2y ago
  Cruz was bought and paid for by Christian theocrats, while Trump seemed more human and relatable/tolerable at the time.

bongodongobob 2y ago

They won't be shocked, it's literally what they wanted and why people voted the way they did. You can't just blame corruption or something anymore. It's what people want.

kemiller2002 2y ago
And that is the saddest part of all.
ks2048 2y ago
I think lots of voters want "let's deport all illegal immigrants!" I think they would be shocked if they understood what kind of operation it would take to deport 15 million and what the side effects would be. For comparison, the entire (huge) prison population is 1.9 million. I think some terrible things will happen to immigrants (and people suspected of being immigrants), but this scale doesn't seem possible and will be fought against by powerful interests (businesses employing them, etc).
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  Maybe they should just do what Canada does and have really high civil/criminal penalties for employing illegal immigrants (so no job, they just go back because no work)? The problem is that a lot of farmers, hotel owners, and people who work construction projects vote Republican also, so it seems like that will never happen in the US.
  - ks2048 2y ago
    I could image a gradual shift to something like that. But if 15 million workers can't work suddenly, there aren't people to do those jobs. Those people also buy groceries, pay rent, etc.
    - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
      Ya, but being more honest about immigration is better in the long term. Well, I say that, but that's what Canada did and people (not just conservatives) are still angry. Instead of blaming illegal immigrants, however, they just blame legal ones.
      - boringg 2y ago