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It's not like people warned that supporting a genocide would cost Harris the presidency...

by zawaideh 2y ago

tasty_freeze 2y ago
Yes, and now those people are stuck with Trump who is far worse on that score.
- aa_is_op 2y ago
  Yeah. They have no idea Trump is the biggest pro-Israel anti-Muslim fan out there. He'll literally give Israel anything they want, and those people will gasp and act surprised.
  - trinsic2 2y ago
    We run our nation on oil. Our nation is built on good a relationship with Israel. Nothing about that will change until our priorities as a country change, dem or repb.
- zawaideh 2y ago
  the devil vs the devil wrapped in a rainbow flag is still the devil...
  - bbor 2y ago
    The devil doesn't exist, and real life is complicated. Have fun telling the living Palestinians "whelp, a lot of you already died, so we're gonna let the rest of you die/be deported to a country you've never been to."
- sangnoir 2y ago
  The oft-repeated question "What could be worse than a genocide?" was ill-thought-out, first-order thinking, IMO. Regardless, we are going to find out the higher order results soon.
umeshunni 2y ago
Literally noone in America cares about this enough to swing their vote.
- keroro 2y ago
  Personally I know plenty of people who didn’t vote because of the genocide. Mostly Palestinian americans, arab americans, those on the far left.
  - anon291 2y ago
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    - bbor 2y ago
      For context: there are 4,453,908 Muslim Americans and 1,698,570 Arab Americans as of the 2010 census. The DSA, by far the largest leftist organization, has about 80,000 members. Even if all three of those groups don't overlap at all, it still doesn't explain much. That said, sentiments have power -- the idea that Harris is "more of the same" likely affected a lot of people, even if they don't align exactly with the people behind that message. Sadly, they're about to find out how wrong they are.
      - rdtsc 2y ago
        > That said, sentiments have power -- the idea that Harris is "more of the same" likely affected a lot of people, even if they don't align exactly with the people behind that message. Sadly, they're about to find out how wrong they are. She massively bungled that: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/06/politics/harris-campaign-went-wrong/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/06/politics/harris-campaign-... > “What, if anything, would you have done something differently than President Biden during the past four years?” co-host of ABC’s “The View” Sunny Hostin asked Harris, looking to give her a set for her to spike over the net. “There is not a thing that comes to mind,” she said. That was her golden moment to distance herself from Biden's admin and show some personal incentive and she deliberately chose not to.
halfmatthalfcat 2y ago
When all is said and done I bet Gaza had very little effect on overall D turnout. If it did, those that either sat out or voted R specifically because of Gaza did so to spite their face. An R administration will turn their backs on a lot of geopolitical happenings and let those involved run wild, of which the Palestinians will have little to no voice at all. Also people vastly underestimate the political calculus in full throated support of Palestinians and by association, Hamas. There is a whole other side of this conflict and that is with Jews who also care about the resolution, but also care about Israel and the fact they've had rockets constantly fired into their territory. They also vote overwhelmingly D. You alienate one group for another and you've made no ground in terms of voter share.
- lanternfish 2y ago
  Exit polls, especially in Michigan, seem to disagree with this.
  - halfmatthalfcat 2y ago
    Wayne County was never going to be the lynch pin of the election and even so, exit polling is notoriously fickle. If we're taking exit polling at face value, across the country the economy was #1 followed by preserving democracy and immigration. Geopolitics is probably at the bottom of the top 10 nationally.
    - knodi 2y ago
      Dearborn alone voted 50% for Trump, 22% for Jill and 28% for Harris. Thats 50-100k votes right there. A clear message and an axe to the foot of Palestine.
      - halfmatthalfcat 2y ago
        Looking at the Dearborn results[1], it looks like Jill pulled 10k votes at 20%. That's not winning MI. [1] https://dearborn.gov/sites/default/files/2024-11/UNOFFICIAL%20Results_Nov%205%202024%20Presidential%20Election%20-%20ALL%20-%20ELECTION%20DAY_City%20of%20Dearborn.pdf https://dearborn.gov/sites/default/files/2024-11/UNOFFICIAL%...
nick3443 2y ago
There is probably a large non-vocal group of Democrats outside deep blue areas that doesn't agree, which is why they went that direction
lynndotpy 2y ago
While I agree that genocide is bad, all the numbers point to this not even having had been a factor.
rdtsc 2y ago
> It's not like people warned that supporting a genocide would cost Harris the presidency... That's fair. She lost a good number of votes, but 10M+ popular votes? Would that account for it?

It's not like people warned that supporting a genocide would cost Harris the presidency...

tasty_freeze 2y ago

Yes, and now those people are stuck with Trump who is far worse on that score.

aa_is_op 2y ago
Yeah. They have no idea Trump is the biggest pro-Israel anti-Muslim fan out there. He'll literally give Israel anything they want, and those people will gasp and act surprised.
- trinsic2 2y ago
  We run our nation on oil. Our nation is built on good a relationship with Israel. Nothing about that will change until our priorities as a country change, dem or repb.
zawaideh 2y ago
the devil vs the devil wrapped in a rainbow flag is still the devil...
- bbor 2y ago
  The devil doesn't exist, and real life is complicated. Have fun telling the living Palestinians "whelp, a lot of you already died, so we're gonna let the rest of you die/be deported to a country you've never been to."
sangnoir 2y ago
The oft-repeated question "What could be worse than a genocide?" was ill-thought-out, first-order thinking, IMO. Regardless, we are going to find out the higher order results soon.

umeshunni 2y ago

Literally noone in America cares about this enough to swing their vote.

keroro 2y ago
Personally I know plenty of people who didn’t vote because of the genocide. Mostly Palestinian americans, arab americans, those on the far left.
- anon291 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - bbor 2y ago
    For context: there are 4,453,908 Muslim Americans and 1,698,570 Arab Americans as of the 2010 census. The DSA, by far the largest leftist organization, has about 80,000 members. Even if all three of those groups don't overlap at all, it still doesn't explain much. That said, sentiments have power -- the idea that Harris is "more of the same" likely affected a lot of people, even if they don't align exactly with the people behind that message. Sadly, they're about to find out how wrong they are.
    - rdtsc 2y ago
      > That said, sentiments have power -- the idea that Harris is "more of the same" likely affected a lot of people, even if they don't align exactly with the people behind that message. Sadly, they're about to find out how wrong they are. She massively bungled that: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/06/politics/harris-campaign-went-wrong/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/06/politics/harris-campaign-... > “What, if anything, would you have done something differently than President Biden during the past four years?” co-host of ABC’s “The View” Sunny Hostin asked Harris, looking to give her a set for her to spike over the net. “There is not a thing that comes to mind,” she said. That was her golden moment to distance herself from Biden's admin and show some personal incentive and she deliberately chose not to.

halfmatthalfcat 2y ago

When all is said and done I bet Gaza had very little effect on overall D turnout. If it did, those that either sat out or voted R specifically because of Gaza did so to spite their face. An R administration will turn their backs on a lot of geopolitical happenings and let those involved run wild, of which the Palestinians will have little to no voice at all. Also people vastly underestimate the political calculus in full throated support of Palestinians and by association, Hamas. There is a whole other side of this conflict and that is with Jews who also care about the resolution, but also care about Israel and the fact they've had rockets constantly fired into their territory. They also vote overwhelmingly D. You alienate one group for another and you've made no ground in terms of voter share.

lanternfish 2y ago
Exit polls, especially in Michigan, seem to disagree with this.
- halfmatthalfcat 2y ago
  Wayne County was never going to be the lynch pin of the election and even so, exit polling is notoriously fickle. If we're taking exit polling at face value, across the country the economy was #1 followed by preserving democracy and immigration. Geopolitics is probably at the bottom of the top 10 nationally.
  - knodi 2y ago
    Dearborn alone voted 50% for Trump, 22% for Jill and 28% for Harris. Thats 50-100k votes right there. A clear message and an axe to the foot of Palestine.
    - halfmatthalfcat 2y ago
      Looking at the Dearborn results[1], it looks like Jill pulled 10k votes at 20%. That's not winning MI. [1] https://dearborn.gov/sites/default/files/2024-11/UNOFFICIAL%20Results_Nov%205%202024%20Presidential%20Election%20-%20ALL%20-%20ELECTION%20DAY_City%20of%20Dearborn.pdf https://dearborn.gov/sites/default/files/2024-11/UNOFFICIAL%...

nick3443 2y ago

There is probably a large non-vocal group of Democrats outside deep blue areas that doesn't agree, which is why they went that direction

lynndotpy 2y ago

While I agree that genocide is bad, all the numbers point to this not even having had been a factor.

rdtsc 2y ago

> It's not like people warned that supporting a genocide would cost Harris the presidency... That's fair. She lost a good number of votes, but 10M+ popular votes? Would that account for it?