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About 20 million votes less than the 2020 election, with about 15 million less for the democrats, and a measely 4 million less for the republicans. Thought that
by skeuomorphism 2y ago
About 20 million votes less than the 2020 election, with about 15 million less for the democrats, and a measely 4 million less for the republicans. Thought that was interesting.
- zawaideh 2y agoIt's not like people warned that supporting a genocide would cost Harris the presidency...
- tasty_freeze 2y agoYes, and now those people are stuck with Trump who is far worse on that score.
- aa_is_op 2y agoYeah. They have no idea Trump is the biggest pro-Israel anti-Muslim fan out there. He'll literally give Israel anything they want, and those people will gasp and act surprised.
- trinsic2 2y agoWe run our nation on oil. Our nation is built on good a relationship with Israel. Nothing about that will change until our priorities as a country change, dem or repb.
- zawaideh 2y agothe devil vs the devil wrapped in a rainbow flag is still the devil...
- bbor 2y agoThe devil doesn't exist, and real life is complicated. Have fun telling the living Palestinians "whelp, a lot of you already died, so we're gonna let the rest of you die/be deported to a country you've never been to."
- sangnoir 2y agoThe oft-repeated question "What could be worse than a genocide?" was ill-thought-out, first-order thinking, IMO. Regardless, we are going to find out the higher order results soon.
- umeshunni 2y agoLiterally noone in America cares about this enough to swing their vote.
- keroro 2y agoPersonally I know plenty of people who didn’t vote because of the genocide. Mostly Palestinian americans, arab americans, those on the far left.
- anon291 2y ago[flagged]
- bbor 2y agoFor context: there are 4,453,908 Muslim Americans and 1,698,570 Arab Americans as of the 2010 census. The DSA, by far the largest leftist organization, has about 80,000 members. Even if all three of those groups don't overlap at all, it still doesn't explain much. That said, sentiments have power -- the idea that Harris is "more of the same" likely affected a lot of people, even if they don't align exactly with the people behind that message. Sadly, they're about to find out how wrong they are.
- rdtsc 2y ago> That said, sentiments have power -- the idea that Harris is "more of the same" likely affected a lot of people, even if they don't align exactly with the people behind that message. Sadly, they're about to find out how wrong they are. She massively bungled that: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/06/politics/harris-campaign-went-wrong/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/06/politics/harris-campaign-... > “What, if anything, would you have done something differently than President Biden during the past four years?” co-host of ABC’s “The View” Sunny Hostin asked Harris, looking to give her a set for her to spike over the net. “There is not a thing that comes to mind,” she said. That was her golden moment to distance herself from Biden's admin and show some personal incentive and she deliberately chose not to.
- halfmatthalfcat 2y agoWhen all is said and done I bet Gaza had very little effect on overall D turnout. If it did, those that either sat out or voted R specifically because of Gaza did so to spite their face. An R administration will turn their backs on a lot of geopolitical happenings and let those involved run wild, of which the Palestinians will have little to no voice at all. Also people vastly underestimate the political calculus in full throated support of Palestinians and by association, Hamas. There is a whole other side of this conflict and that is with Jews who also care about the resolution, but also care about Israel and the fact they've had rockets constantly fired into their territory. They also vote overwhelmingly D. You alienate one group for another and you've made no ground in terms of voter share.
- lanternfish 2y agoExit polls, especially in Michigan, seem to disagree with this.
- halfmatthalfcat 2y agoWayne County was never going to be the lynch pin of the election and even so, exit polling is notoriously fickle. If we're taking exit polling at face value, across the country the economy was #1 followed by preserving democracy and immigration. Geopolitics is probably at the bottom of the top 10 nationally.
- knodi 2y agoDearborn alone voted 50% for Trump, 22% for Jill and 28% for Harris. Thats 50-100k votes right there. A clear message and an axe to the foot of Palestine.
- halfmatthalfcat 2y agoLooking at the Dearborn results[1], it looks like Jill pulled 10k votes at 20%. That's not winning MI. [1] https://dearborn.gov/sites/default/files/2024-11/UNOFFICIAL%20Results_Nov%205%202024%20Presidential%20Election%20-%20ALL%20-%20ELECTION%20DAY_City%20of%20Dearborn.pdf https://dearborn.gov/sites/default/files/2024-11/UNOFFICIAL%...
- nick3443 2y agoThere is probably a large non-vocal group of Democrats outside deep blue areas that doesn't agree, which is why they went that direction
- lynndotpy 2y agoWhile I agree that genocide is bad, all the numbers point to this not even having had been a factor.
- rdtsc 2y ago> It's not like people warned that supporting a genocide would cost Harris the presidency... That's fair. She lost a good number of votes, but 10M+ popular votes? Would that account for it?
- nickvec 2y agoStill a large chunk of votes yet to be counted on the West Coast.
- culi 2y agoyeah California has between 5 and 7 million that will take weeks to count
- whartung 2y agoDeadline for mail in ballot delivery is Nov 12. Have to be postmarked on the 5th, but they have a week to get to where they're going.
- hackernewds 2y agowhy does the seat of silicon valley take so long to count votes?
- ibejoeb 2y agoAre any voting system manufacturers even there? I guess votingworks is nominally there, but it's barely used.
- swat535 2y agoI'm not an American, can you explain how are able to determine a winner if the votes are still being counted?
- pengaru 2y agoIt's not the simple national popular vote that determines the winner, there's this thing called an electoral college where the states get a certain number of votes. You end up with "swing states" which decide the election, and some states are dyed blue or red. So once enough votes have been counted in the swing states to determine their color, it's effectively over. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_Colleg...
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- ggregoire 2y agoWas expected, lot of Americans don't want to be represented by either of those two candidates.
- Cannabat 2y agoUnfortunately, it’s not possible to express this sentiment via election participation. Abstention ends up supporting one candidate more than the other. What seems to be an affirmation of neutrality is not that in practice.
- ggregoire 2y agoYou misinterpreted the massive disagreement of the population (20M people) with an affirmation of neutrality. One can hope the dems will not misinterpret it (as they often do, unfortunately, and they already started on twitter and the mainstream media). Hopefully they can recognize and acknowledge that a large portion of the left disagrees with their policies and start listening to their base, otherwise they will keep losing more votes every 4 year.
- elendee 2y agoI and another registered democrat neighbor had this exact discussion and conclusion outside of the voting center we live next to on election day. Assuming we're not the only ones.
- pie_flavor 2y agoThe national election is an exercise in partisanship. Your opportunity to feel represented is what the primary is for. And for once I'm not sneering at the sentiment because basically neither side ran a primary (the Ds managed to not run one twice!)
- crystal_revenge 2y ago> Your opportunity to feel represented is what the primary is for This is why it was a major issue for me that the Democrats did not hold a primary and just decided Kamala would be the candidate. If a major part of your campaign is "vote for us or democracy dies!" it's pretty hard to swallow if you increasingly feel that your voice doesn't matter in your own party.
- mrtksn 2y agoI see this being pushed on Twitter as a proof of election fraud in 2020 but aren't the votes still being counted? Reporting appears to be %87 at this moment, expect the numbers to add up when it's %100. Don't you register to vote anyway? You can't be counting unaccounted for ballots, are you? You probably have a paperwork for for every vote, it's not like counting the cash after busking. Eventually You will have Total Number of Registered to Vote = Total Ballots + Total Absentees. This will also give you the turnout. You can't have the turnout first unless you keep track of number of votes casted and in that case you will be able to tell if there were fake votes by comparing the final ballots counted and the number of votes you counted when casting. This is all very basic, can someone explain what I'm missing here? Why people are pushing for this thing that doesn't make sense whatsoever?
- lelandbatey 2y agoNot everyone who is registered to vote actually votes (as in they do not mail in their ballot nor do they go in to physically vote). Which is I think the more likely case here.
- culi 2y agoThat 87% figure refers to the number of ballots that have been counted. What you're thinking of is the turnout (usually measured by % of VEP). California, for example, has about 7 million ballots that haven't been processed
- bee_rider 2y agoIt doesn’t seem like very good evidence that there was fraud in 2020, in the sense they even if (and it is an if) we end up with a decrease in turnout this year, there’s no particular reason to believe that people didn’t just… vote more when the pandemic was happening, they had more time to sit around, and mail in voting was easier. Is it possible that the people pushing this idea are just engaging in motivated reasoning?
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- extraduder_ire 2y ago2020 was exceptional in the amount of voting that happened by mail. I hope nothing makes that necessary again.
- tenacious_tuna 2y ago> I hope nothing makes that necessary again I hope nothing makes it necessary, but I do hope it becomes commonplace. It's such a better experience to complete a ballot leisurely in one's own home, being able to discuss it with my own family and referencing a plethora of materials, than having to go out of my way to wait in line and have prepared everything ahead of time (and, hopefully, remembered it).
- cdolan 2y agoSerious question: Are you certain your vote was counted and not lost? I vote in person because I know when I mail things they don't always get where I intended them to be (and especially when there is a deadline in place)
- siger 2y agoAt least NY lets you track your ballot online ("New York Ballot Tracker").
- anon84873628 2y agoI got a text message from my county telling me my vote was counted.
- mirekrusin 2y agoDoes it mention your response?
- palata 2y agoIn my country, I can just bring the letter and put it in a special mailbox in the city hall in the weeks before the vote. I would trust the mail system, too, but that's beside the point. Just to say it works "asynchronously", too.
- ipython 2y agoI believe there is still more vote to count, so the absolute numbers may still increase dramatically, but your point on party affiliation is definitely on point
- culi 2y agoThe vote isn't even close to done. California will likely take weeks to count another 5 million, maybe more. In 2020 it took 2 months to get the final count from all states (not including recounts)
- stopping 2y ago2020 vote count: 155 million 2024 vote count so far: 139 million 2024 vote percentage counted so far: 87% 139 million divided by 87% equals 159 million. Voter turnout this year will be higher than 2020.
- superfrank 2y ago2020 turn out was around 158.5 million https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election#Electoral_results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidentia... Agree though that we'll get pretty close to that. CA,OR, WA alone likely have ~10 million votes uncounted.
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- ZeroGravitas 2y agoThe current prediction, when all votes are counted, is it to be just below the record turnout, which was 4 years ago. It not even guaranteed that Trump will win the popular vote, it depends on how the California votes land.
- rKarpinski 2y ago> It not even guaranteed that Trump will win the popular vote Well the odds are 1000:1 on Polymarket, so if it's at all possible that's a great bet!
- perihelions 2y agoThe counting isn't finished yet. But turnout's clearly higher than in 2020, looking at the states that have already finished their counts (or near to it). Here are the (incomplete) vote counts from the three swing states that WSJ currently indicates at 99% counted: 2020 2024* Δ Michigan 5,539,302 5,619,861 (99%) +80,559 (+1.45%) N. Carolina 5,524,804 5,625,658 (99%) +100,854 (+1.83%) Wisconsin 3,298,041 3,415,014 (99%) +116,973 (+3.55%)
- RangerScience 2y agoTo be clear: that’s additional votes this election versus last, and so is counting absolute turnout, rather than percentage-of-the-population? It’s good to know the absolute numbers, but I feel like they’re less significant than the relative numbers (what % of the population voted)
- lovecg 2y ago> about 15 million less for the democrats This is wrong. We don’t know how many people voted for democrats or otherwise yet. Heck, California still has millions of votes to count. Your mistake is that you’re comparing a known total from 2020 to a count in progress from 2024.