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Nice to actually have a decent release this generation of CPUs. The rest of Zen5 was maybe a 5% bump on average, and Intel's new series actually regressed in p

Nice to actually have a decent release this generation of CPUs. The rest of Zen5 was maybe a 5% bump on average, and Intel's new series actually regressed in performance compared to 14th gen. Seems like the Zen5X3D's will be the only good parts this time around.

13hunteo 2y ago
To cut Intel some slack, this latest version overhauls their old architecture, and they were fairly upfront about the lack of development in performance in this generation. The idea is the new platform will allow for better development in future, while improving efficiency fairly significantly.
- qzw 2y ago
  Also nice to be able to boast a bigger uplift in the following gen due to regressing this one! But they definitely did need to get their efficiency under control since their parts were turning into fairly decent personal heating units.
- Night_Thastus 2y ago
  From a consumer standpoint - this doesn't matter. You can't buy that future product that may exist. You can only choose whether to buy the current product or not. And right now, that product is bad. I certainly hope the next generation is a massive bump for Intel, but we'll see if that's the case.
  - mmaniac 2y ago
    Adding onto that, the roadmap to Intel's next generation isn't exactly clear. Arrow Lake Refresh would have seemingly bumped core counts healthily, but that's cancelled now. I don't believe that it's cancelled because its successor is ahead of schedule.
- fweimer 2y ago
  I think the new T-equivalent CPU could be very interesting if Intel releases one. Those variants are optimized for 35W TDP, and they can be used for building high-performance fanless systems that can sustain their performance for quite some time. The lower power requirements for Arrow Lake might be a really good match there.
- duskwuff 2y ago
  > To cut Intel some slack, this latest version overhauls their old architecture... ... and their 13th/14th generation processors had serious problems with overvoltage-induced failures - they clearly needed to step back and focus on reliability over performance.
- 5kg 2y ago
  it's scrapped, the new design: https://www.pcworld.com/article/2507953/lunar-lakes-integrated-dram-wont-happen-again-intel-ceo-says.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/2507953/lunar-lakes-integrat...
  - zeusk 2y ago
    Parent is quite possibly talking about arrow lake and not lunar lake which is a mobile only part.
- heraldgeezer 2y ago
  So why buy this generation and not wait unless your computer broke and you NEED Intel?
notanote 2y ago
Hardware Unboxed has the interesting theory that the I/O die, which is unchanged between Zen4 and Zen5, is a significant bottleneck especially for the latter. The 3D v-cache would then ease the pressure there, and so see the cpu get an extra boost beyond that expected from increased cache.

13hunteo 2y ago

To cut Intel some slack, this latest version overhauls their old architecture, and they were fairly upfront about the lack of development in performance in this generation. The idea is the new platform will allow for better development in future, while improving efficiency fairly significantly.

qzw 2y ago
Also nice to be able to boast a bigger uplift in the following gen due to regressing this one! But they definitely did need to get their efficiency under control since their parts were turning into fairly decent personal heating units.
Night_Thastus 2y ago
From a consumer standpoint - this doesn't matter. You can't buy that future product that may exist. You can only choose whether to buy the current product or not. And right now, that product is bad. I certainly hope the next generation is a massive bump for Intel, but we'll see if that's the case.
- mmaniac 2y ago
  Adding onto that, the roadmap to Intel's next generation isn't exactly clear. Arrow Lake Refresh would have seemingly bumped core counts healthily, but that's cancelled now. I don't believe that it's cancelled because its successor is ahead of schedule.
fweimer 2y ago
I think the new T-equivalent CPU could be very interesting if Intel releases one. Those variants are optimized for 35W TDP, and they can be used for building high-performance fanless systems that can sustain their performance for quite some time. The lower power requirements for Arrow Lake might be a really good match there.
duskwuff 2y ago
> To cut Intel some slack, this latest version overhauls their old architecture... ... and their 13th/14th generation processors had serious problems with overvoltage-induced failures - they clearly needed to step back and focus on reliability over performance.
5kg 2y ago
it's scrapped, the new design: https://www.pcworld.com/article/2507953/lunar-lakes-integrated-dram-wont-happen-again-intel-ceo-says.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/2507953/lunar-lakes-integrat...
- zeusk 2y ago
  Parent is quite possibly talking about arrow lake and not lunar lake which is a mobile only part.
heraldgeezer 2y ago
So why buy this generation and not wait unless your computer broke and you NEED Intel?

notanote 2y ago

Hardware Unboxed has the interesting theory that the I/O die, which is unchanged between Zen4 and Zen5, is a significant bottleneck especially for the latter. The 3D v-cache would then ease the pressure there, and so see the cpu get an extra boost beyond that expected from increased cache.