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Common ground? They don't believe in climate change, want zero controls on guns, are generally anti-immigrant - even the legal immigrants are lied about e.g. H

Common ground? They don't believe in climate change, want zero controls on guns, are generally anti-immigrant - even the legal immigrants are lied about e.g. Haitians in Springfield, don't believe women should have certain rights concerning their own healthcare, want to keep cutting taxes for the wealthy and corporations, etc. They are impenetrable. Yes they'd claim I'm unwilling to compromise but we're talking about different starting points - I have to get them to accept certain actual real-world events and facts as true before starting a meaningful conversation.

hedora 2y ago
I watched the victory speech. He promised three things (1) only four years of him in the White House, (2) appointing RFK to eliminate vaccines and gut the health care industry (3) end current wars, so basically give his boss military control of Eastern Europe. I don’t believe (1). The other two would mean our kids’ life expectancies just halved.
- xanderlewis 2y ago
  The very fact he feels the need to promise (1) says it all.
- hyeonwho4 2y ago
  - Eliminating vaccines is a terrible idea, but public school vaccine requirements are state law in my state. RFK won't be touching them. - Gutting the health care industry? That's not necessarily a bad thing. Wasteful health care administration (passing the buck) was something like 30% of health care costs pre-ACA, and health care is now 17.3% of GDP. Shedding 1/3 of health care costs would bring our health care expenses to the same ratio of GDP as the UK. Of course it would also cause an unemployment crisis...
  - hedora 2y ago
    The plan is to withhold federal funding for schools that require vaccines. One example of gutting the industry (announced today): ban fluoridated water.
    - hyeonwho4 2y ago
      I'm still confused. Schools are required to require vaccines by state law. Banning fluoridated water is a weird idea. I will have to look into the costs and benefits.
      - hyeonwho4 2y ago
        Yikes! > Nineteen of those studies were considered to be high quality; of these, 18 reported an inverse association between estimated fluoride exposure and IQ in children. The 18 studies, which include 3 prospective cohort studies and 15 cross-sectional studies, were conducted in 5 different countries. Forty-six of the 53 low-quality studies in children also found evidence of an inverse association between estimated fluoride exposure and IQ in children. > https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/publications/monographs/mgraph08 https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/publications/monographs/mgraph08 They're estimating a 3 to 5 point IQ drop due to fluorinated water in childhood. On that basis I would have to support switching to free mouthwash.
  - matwood 2y ago
    Pre-ACA it was hard to near impossible to get healthcare with an existing condition. Additionally, most healthcare costs are later in life. My fear is shedding costs is going to equate to only covering people who are young and healthy. But hey, it'll be cheaper.
selfmodruntime 2y ago
Legal immigrants overwhelmingly voted red. "They" are minorities, white people, men and women, young and old.
- matwood 2y ago
  Which is why the entire talking point of the Dems bringing illegals into the country to replace the electorate is a lie to enrage the base through racism. Many, possibly the majority, of immigrants coming into the US are very conservative.
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SirMaster 2y ago
>They don't believe in climate change, want zero controls on guns, are generally anti-immigrant - even the legal immigrants are lied about e.g. Haitians in Springfield, don't believe women should have certain rights concerning their own healthcare, want to keep cutting taxes for the wealthy and corporations, etc. I'd be willing to bet that the amount of conservatives that fit your description are not enough to win an election. That description is only a subset of conservatives in my experience of being a conservative myself and living around many of them.

hedora 2y ago

I watched the victory speech. He promised three things (1) only four years of him in the White House, (2) appointing RFK to eliminate vaccines and gut the health care industry (3) end current wars, so basically give his boss military control of Eastern Europe. I don’t believe (1). The other two would mean our kids’ life expectancies just halved.

xanderlewis 2y ago
The very fact he feels the need to promise (1) says it all.
hyeonwho4 2y ago
- Eliminating vaccines is a terrible idea, but public school vaccine requirements are state law in my state. RFK won't be touching them. - Gutting the health care industry? That's not necessarily a bad thing. Wasteful health care administration (passing the buck) was something like 30% of health care costs pre-ACA, and health care is now 17.3% of GDP. Shedding 1/3 of health care costs would bring our health care expenses to the same ratio of GDP as the UK. Of course it would also cause an unemployment crisis...
- hedora 2y ago
  The plan is to withhold federal funding for schools that require vaccines. One example of gutting the industry (announced today): ban fluoridated water.
  - hyeonwho4 2y ago
    I'm still confused. Schools are required to require vaccines by state law. Banning fluoridated water is a weird idea. I will have to look into the costs and benefits.
    - hyeonwho4 2y ago
      Yikes! > Nineteen of those studies were considered to be high quality; of these, 18 reported an inverse association between estimated fluoride exposure and IQ in children. The 18 studies, which include 3 prospective cohort studies and 15 cross-sectional studies, were conducted in 5 different countries. Forty-six of the 53 low-quality studies in children also found evidence of an inverse association between estimated fluoride exposure and IQ in children. > https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/publications/monographs/mgraph08 https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/publications/monographs/mgraph08 They're estimating a 3 to 5 point IQ drop due to fluorinated water in childhood. On that basis I would have to support switching to free mouthwash.
- matwood 2y ago
  Pre-ACA it was hard to near impossible to get healthcare with an existing condition. Additionally, most healthcare costs are later in life. My fear is shedding costs is going to equate to only covering people who are young and healthy. But hey, it'll be cheaper.

selfmodruntime 2y ago

Legal immigrants overwhelmingly voted red. "They" are minorities, white people, men and women, young and old.

matwood 2y ago
Which is why the entire talking point of the Dems bringing illegals into the country to replace the electorate is a lie to enrage the base through racism. Many, possibly the majority, of immigrants coming into the US are very conservative.

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SirMaster 2y ago

>They don't believe in climate change, want zero controls on guns, are generally anti-immigrant - even the legal immigrants are lied about e.g. Haitians in Springfield, don't believe women should have certain rights concerning their own healthcare, want to keep cutting taxes for the wealthy and corporations, etc. I'd be willing to bet that the amount of conservatives that fit your description are not enough to win an election. That description is only a subset of conservatives in my experience of being a conservative myself and living around many of them.