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We will also blow through any chance of stopping climate change.
by trickstra 2y ago
We will also blow through any chance of stopping climate change.
- thehappypm 2y ago[flagged]
- trickstra 2y agoSure, so let's vote for the felon who openly wants to become a dictator, makes so much sense...
- leesec 2y agoCan you knock off this garbage?
- p_j_w 2y agoIs he wrong?
- rvz 2y agoYes, they are wrong and it is complete garbage. Otherwise, why didn't Trump already abolish the entire constitution and voting straight after the 2016 election just to make himself a dictator?
- p_j_w 2y agoBecause there were guard rails in place. Now the Supreme Court has said he can't be prosecuted for official acts and he has a VP in place who is on record as saying he wouldn't have certified an election that Trump legitimately lost. Things have changed since 2016, go ahead bury your head in the sand about it. Don't come crying to anyone else when the leopard eats your face, though.
- tines 2y agoHe tried, and failed. I guess we want him to try again though.
- trickstra 2y agoFelony conviction is garbage?
- thehappypm 2y agoI mean, that's what 51% of the US decided to do.
- jnmandal 2y agoThat was going to be the case either way. In fact we have pretty much already blown through that
- jajko 2y agoWell yes but thats not a binary situation, is it. We can fuck up future of our kids a lot, a lot more or way a lot more. And so on. Anyway, our descendants will hate current generations for what we have 'achieved' with the only place we can realistically live en masse for next 1000 years at least, almost all in in past 20 years, I'd say rightfully. But as long as their stocks are up many folks here properly don't give a fuck. Tells you something too, don't put automatic morality into folks just because they have above-average intelligence, selfishness is a very powerful emotion from which none of us is completely immune from.
- jnmandal 2y agoEverything you say is true. However it's bizarre for me to read you lamenting as if this election somehow had any bearing on that trajectory. Under a continued Biden regime or a renovated Harris regime the climatic trajectory was similarly in overshoot. Like if you pay attention to what scientists, or even just general NGO representatives are saying... You should know that we are far off the rails. Id encourage you to read the world meteorological organization's report from just last week; we are no where near what is manageable for a stable and prosperous future for our descendants. The climate has absolutely destabilized and we now have left a dismal future laced with intermittent catastrophe. Our generations greed and myopia means we have also left a momentous task to our descendants who might seek to try and restore the planet to equilibrium. Trump or Harris at the helm --it makes no difference-- the ship is going down. Future generations will inherit a ruined biosphere, food insecurity, resource wars, etc. Humand can obviously mitigate tha somewhat but there's not a single political entity in the US or perhaps even the West as a whole that is currently engaged in doing so.
- jajko 2y agoWell you are just saying the same what I've reacted to - its all same. I disagree from my limited viewpoint - trump was super eager to open drilling oil in Alaska in natural reserves, downgraded env protections for parks etc. Environment aint just directly co2 or temperature raises, its everything. And everything is connected. Just because the ship has sort of sailed it doesnt mean giving up and ignorance is the right course, especially when vuewed on really long term scale
- magaaaa 2y ago[flagged]
- drawkward 2y ago[Citation Needed]
- fastball 2y agohttps://x.com/ChrisMartzWX/status/1854161121193714102 https://x.com/ChrisMartzWX/status/1854161121193714102
- czottmann 2y ago> Until China and India take steps to decarbonize their economies as opposed to making empty pledges we all know will never be met, then whatever the U.S. or the rest of the West does will not matter. This is such a bullshit way of thinking. No one snowflake feels responsible for the avalanche. "But China…", "But India…" is not an excuse for not giving a shit. I hear the same arguments over here in Germany, and they're usually coming from the "I don't want to change" crowd.
- fastball 2y agoWell then, the good news is Trump has the guy more responsible for electrifying American cars (a major contributor to CO2 emissions) than anyone else on his team. Also the state that has more renewables than any other state voted for Trump.
- komali2 2y agoAre you referring to Elon Musk? He also torpedoed a mass transit project in California and built the stupidest version of a train ever conceived in Las Vegas. It's not clear that Elon Musk has a good sense for efficient means to reduce climate harming activity - just that he wants, and is good at getting, government money for his projects.
- sneak 2y ago> It's not clear that Elon Musk has a good sense for efficient means to reduce climate harming activity I think that this is one of the most incorrect, and, what’s more, plainly and obviously incorrect things I’ve ever read. I am almost at a loss for words when I read it. Are we going to pretend that people would have adopted EVs anyway in the west without Tesla? Did you think we would just abandon the entire western auto manufacturing infrastructure and start driving BYDs? Did you forget what the auto industry looked like before (and during, in the early years) Tesla? This is like saying that he doesn’t have a good sense for building orbital rockets. The guy has basically only done two big and meaningful things with his life and attacking the #1 carbon emission source is the bigger of the two.
- Gormo 2y agoThe chance of stopping climate change through politics has always been zero.
- trickstra 2y agoThere is no other way though. Climate change is not a technical problem, it's political. We've had the tech to fix climate change for long time, we know how to do it, that part is quite easy and obvious, we are just not doing it.
- Gormo 2y agoYou can't say "other way" when you're comparing to something that isn't a way in the first place. Climate change absolutely is a technical problem and not a political one. It's about the cause and effect patterns of actual weather phenomena, and has nothing to do with conflict resolution within human societies, or anthropocentric psychosocial rituals. We don't really have the technology to purposefully engineer macro-scale climate patterns, and we absolutely do not have the technology to secure wide-scale cooperation among vast numbers of people with different value systems and incentive structures. We've never had that.
- trickstra 2y agoScience tells us how climate works, technology provides renewable energy, but it's up to politics to do the switch. If we don't, then we will simply run out of time, problem will grow, and then we will get into a dead end where we really won't have the technology to fix it. There was a last chance to do it right around these years, we blew it by two trump presidencies instead. If that isn't politics, then nothing is.
- Gormo 2y ago> but it's up to politics to do the switch. Where do you get the idea that politics has, or has ever had, the ability to do anything of the sort? > There was a last chance to do it right around these years You're not getting it. There was never any chance to do it. You might as well be arguing for sacrificing goats or reciting ritual incantations. There is no political solution to climate change, and there never was.
- leesec 2y agoIt's cool when people say things like this so definitively when there's no basis in anything
- tech_ken 2y agoThat happened like 6 years ago, now it's just a question of high score
- goatlover 2y agoWe're not stopping climate change. It's already happening and will continue happening for many centuries. It's just a matter of how much.