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Calling republicans far right is the exact rhetoric that alienates and divides people. Take the next four years to try to find some common ground with the right
by carom 2y ago
Calling republicans far right is the exact rhetoric that alienates and divides people. Take the next four years to try to find some common ground with the right.
- archagon 2y ago[flagged]
- nazka 2y agoActually that statement shows exactly the political and societal problems there is today in the US. If people can’t even talk together and even get insulted it’s going to go even worst.
- archagon 2y agoThere is really no worse left to go.
- nazka 2y agoHo really? Did not history teach us everything that is happening today and can happen tomorrow ? It can go worst as in a civil war. To a full split of the country in x countries. Now I don’t think it will happen but saying it can’t go worst is both factually false and not anchored in reality
- Spooky23 2y agoThere’s no bottom, bro.
- pessimizer 2y agoNothing has happened to you. Nothing is happening to you. If you're in hell, than what is Gaza?
- theonething 2y agoYour illogical and hyperbolic rhetoric is part of the problem.
- Forgeties79 2y agoI just don’t have any interest in having a “dialogue“ with people who want to erase LGBT Americans and burn books. There are some people who can’t be reasoned with or at least won’t be convinced by me. I am not going to waste my time on them, I’m going to continue to engage in dialogue with those who can actually hold a coherent discussion. Agreement isn’t required, but I sure can’t imagine anything productive will come from talking to someone who believes liberals are harvesting “adrenochrome” from children. I’ve already adopted a stance of not talking politics with people who believe the 2020 election was stolen, and frankly my life has been much better for it. You can’t reason people out of a position they didn’t reason themselves in to. In my experience anyone who believes that millions of “illegals” and deceased voted are incapable of having a real discussion or listening. They will not accept reality. When RFK Jr. is unleashed on our health system I wonder if people will finally wake up to the fact that conspiracy theorists are not just in the halls of power now, but that their numbers have grown substantially.
- nazka 2y agoIf it was true that it’s a waste of time to converse with others when paradings and ideologies are far away or even opposite to ours then if you think about it on a more extreme side diplomacy and ambassadors are then in your view just utterly useless and so much more a waste of time. If you tell me that you can’t do it in your own country and it’s a waste of time imagine the effort they have to do in some exotic culture. It’s up to you. If you don’t want to do anything that has an impact too.
- Forgeties79 2y agoSurely we can distinguish between the relatively small number of people in diplomatic positions, a selected position with criteria (generally), and the rest of society? IMO this argument carries very little water but rather “feels” right.
- Yaina 2y agoCommon ground. The whole democratic apparatus of the United States might get severely hollowed out for the foreseeable future, and you're talking about finding common ground.
- spiderfarmer 2y agoWhat he means is: please let us hollow out democracy without you interfering.
- _s 2y agoNot at all wanting to be confrontational- genuinely curious; if they’re not on the far right then where are they? The Democrats seem fairly centrist, and it’s the more wayward independents (eg Greens) that seem to be on the Left. My perspective is European & Australian, so I wonder if that skews it.
- archagon 2y agoThey are absolutely far right, they just hate it when you call them that.
- stogot 2y agoBecause it’s illogical. Far right implies there is an edge to a majority “right”. Calling the entire majority “far right” is just lazy adhominem attacks. Calling the entire the democrat party far left is equally stupid.
- dns_snek 2y agoCalling the democratic party "far left" is stupid for a different reason, viewed from a global perspective, they're probably best positioned as centre-right.
- potato3732842 2y agoDepends what you care about. Broadly speaking the entire developed world is further left than the US on workplace/business/union policy issues. The US left (federally, not talking Alabama dems here) is generally more left on immigration, abortion and LGBTQ+ and affirmative action type policies than Europe, broadly speaking. Drug policy is a wash IMO. There's a lot more variation in Europe because the EU doesn't arbitrate social issues the way the US federal government does.
- selfmodruntime 2y ago> Broadly speaking the entire developed world is further left than the US on workplace/business/union policy issues This is what's crippling them. We initially built the social security net to counter this issue. Then we increased employee rights to maximum levels. I think one of either would be beneficial, but not both.
- e40 2y agoPerhaps you haven’t been listening to the rhetoric of republicans.
- siffin 2y agoWhy is everyone else responsible but the people responsible? Not calling out fascism is surely just as problematic. Do you have any data (except for interpersonal psychology) on whether letting fascism slide or calling it out ultimately makes the situation worse? At what point do you call fascism fascism? When it's too late?
- Jensson 2y ago> At what point do you call fascism fascism? When it's too late? You call it fascism when it is fascism. Once it is openly fascist then it is probably too late to stop, but you don't call it fascism until it is fascism.
- drawkward 2y agoSo, only when it is too late can you talk about it?
- theonething 2y agoHow exactly is Trump/Republican party fascist?
- spiderfarmer 2y agoYou could try to answer this yourself by looking up the definition and cross checking it with the rhetoric from the republican party during this campaign.
- theonething 2y agoThe burden of proof is with the accuser. I fail to see how the Republican party is fascist. I think it's a term the Left uses to demonize their opposition. Ironically, that is kind of fascist-like. > The term fascist has been used as a pejorative,[74] regarding varying movements across the far right of the political spectrum. George Orwell noted in 1944 that the term had been used to denigrate diverse positions "in internal politics". Orwell said that while fascism is "a political and economic system" that was inconvenient to define, "as used, the word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless. ... almost any English person would accept 'bully' as a synonym for 'Fascist'",[75] and in 1946 wrote that '"Fascism' has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies something not desirable."[76] Richard Griffiths of the University of Wales wrote in 2000 that "fascism" is the "most misused, and over-used word, of our times".[77]: 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism I assume you have good reasons to believe Republicans are fascist. I'm simply asking you and any others who believe this to share your reasons. Is that not reasonable?
- casey2 2y agoIt's just the standard leftist doublethink of the past decade. Any realistic definition that labels 99% of Republicans as far right would label 95% of Democrats far right too. If their ideas were popular they would have started their own party a decade ago instead of being ground up in the DNC. They claim "harm reduction" but that's not how just not voting works, 95% is still a super majority and anything you "win" is just tokenism at the end of the day.
- lobsterthief 2y agoIt seems to me like those in power should be the ones to attempt to find common ground with those they govern. Am I crazy to think that?
- spiderfarmer 2y agoThey like authoritarianism for a reason: they simply don’t care about other people. The lack of empathy is chilling.
- selfmodruntime 2y agoNo, it's the people who must be wrong. Surely!
- moomin 2y agoThat really isn't the primary alienating and divisive rhetoric from this election. It's just the bit you didn't like.
- lm28469 2y agoI mean, they call Harris a communist so all bets are off. Even Sanders would barely register on the left side pretty much anywhere in the western world
- ChrisRR 2y agoAs a non-american, I don't see what else they could be defined as. Why try to seek a middle ground with the far right when they clearly don't want to
- gmueckl 2y agoThe positions the Republicans voiced in their campaign cam ony be summarized as far right. So applying the moniker to the party in it's current form is accurate. The party isn't the same as their voters/supporters.
- mbs159 2y agoIn my country in Europe our most "right-wing" parties would be considered leftist in the US, so hopefully this brings into perspective just how extremely right-wing republicans are.
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- selfmodruntime 2y agoWhich parties and country would that be?
- Applejinx 2y agoNo. Turns out I found common ground with Liz and Dick Cheney. Wouldn't have had that on my bingo card in 2016.
- stego-tech 2y agoI’m sorry, but OP was right in calling the party - the entire party, and its supporters, and its candidates, and its institutions - far right. Because at the end of the day, many believed this was a nuanced choice about policy differences rather than what it really was: a binary choice between an imperfect Democracy, and strong man totalitarianism. The voters made their choice clear, and those of us most impacted by GOP authoritarian policies now get to spend the next four years (at least) trying to make sure we survive attacks against us while also maybe still salvaging this grand democratic experiment. So no, you can take that “find common ground” and shove it. We adhered to decorum for decades, even as the GOP marched ever further right and ignored, plowed through, or destroyed any and every uncrossable line or improper decorum in their path. You don’t get to try and apologize on behalf of an electorate that willfully has chosen violence, nor should we (those affected by said violence) have to tolerate their excuses.
- Forgeties79 2y agoAll of the moderate Republicans were primaried out over the last eight years, the senate has a few holding on but the house has been mostly cleared out. The party is very much far right. Did you not see how many Republicans refused to certify the election in 2021? It’s only gotten worse since then.
- 3836293648 2y agoPretending that Republicans aren't far right is just disingenuous. The democrats are solidly right and America doesn't have a left.
- kingaillas 2y agoCommon ground? They don't believe in climate change, want zero controls on guns, are generally anti-immigrant - even the legal immigrants are lied about e.g. Haitians in Springfield, don't believe women should have certain rights concerning their own healthcare, want to keep cutting taxes for the wealthy and corporations, etc. They are impenetrable. Yes they'd claim I'm unwilling to compromise but we're talking about different starting points - I have to get them to accept certain actual real-world events and facts as true before starting a meaningful conversation.
- hedora 2y agoI watched the victory speech. He promised three things (1) only four years of him in the White House, (2) appointing RFK to eliminate vaccines and gut the health care industry (3) end current wars, so basically give his boss military control of Eastern Europe. I don’t believe (1). The other two would mean our kids’ life expectancies just halved.
- xanderlewis 2y agoThe very fact he feels the need to promise (1) says it all.
- hyeonwho4 2y ago- Eliminating vaccines is a terrible idea, but public school vaccine requirements are state law in my state. RFK won't be touching them. - Gutting the health care industry? That's not necessarily a bad thing. Wasteful health care administration (passing the buck) was something like 30% of health care costs pre-ACA, and health care is now 17.3% of GDP. Shedding 1/3 of health care costs would bring our health care expenses to the same ratio of GDP as the UK. Of course it would also cause an unemployment crisis...
- hedora 2y agoThe plan is to withhold federal funding for schools that require vaccines. One example of gutting the industry (announced today): ban fluoridated water.
- BadHumans 2y agoCommon ground with people who voted for someone who campaigned on hate is a pretty steep hill. Funny how Republicans are never asked to "find common ground"
- scotty79 2y agoRepublicans stopped existing in 2016 when they found out they either have to bow down to Trump or become third-party behind democrats and trumpists. Last meaningful actions of republicans was suppressing Trump during his 2016 reign, but those people are out now. There are no republicans left in power. Who's in charge now are not republicans. Now it's just far right believing in genius and ability of their cartoonish leader.