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I sometimes give to panhandlers, but it’s mostly for my own benefit. I don’t believe my actions do anything to solve a problem, but I also don’t want to desensi

I sometimes give to panhandlers, but it’s mostly for my own benefit. I don’t believe my actions do anything to solve a problem, but I also don’t want to desensitize myself to the misery of others so much that I can easily ignore them. As far as I know, there is ample evidence that homelessness can be solved if there is sufficient political will to implement a structural solution.

johnisgood 2y ago
Restaurants MUST throw away food because it would look bad to have homeless people around the area, public image and all. I am against this wasting of food. This does not apply to restaurants only FWIW.
- jacknews 2y ago
  Are there not charities that go around collecting leftover restaurant food that's still edible?
  - johnisgood 2y ago
    I am not sure, definitely unheard of in my country. If you know of a country that does this (or maybe a state in the US, or just a city somewhere) I would like to know for the sake of restoring some faith in humanity.
    - Thorrez 2y ago
      Here's a charity that does it in the US: https://www.foodrunners.org/ https://www.foodrunners.org/
    - gharper 2y ago
      My local county lists a few options for local businesses looking to donate excess food: https://kingcounty.gov/en/legacy/depts/dnrp/solid-waste/programs/waste-prevention/toolkit/food-rescue https://kingcounty.gov/en/legacy/depts/dnrp/solid-waste/prog...
  - rtkwe 2y ago
    Gathering and distribution for that would be complicated, have to keep all the gathered items food safe while you gather and then distribute. It's much simpler to operate a dedicated kitchen with donated/discounted supplies on many axis.
  - kadoban 2y ago
    In short: yes, there are, but it's difficult. There's logistical issues, like: restaurants are busy and usually can't spare somebody to go find somebody to take excess, having excess is unpredictable so setting up a system is hard, having 8000 loaves of bread or whatever is too much (nobody wants to eat that much bread), etc. Also if the restaurant/grocery/etc. is getting rid of food, it's usually in the neighborhood of not being suitable for consumption anymore. If it's not suitable for consumption, you can't really make a great case for then collecting it and giving it to somebody to eat, even if they're hungry and poor. So you need someone to have good food, care for it safely, but not want to use/sell it but still go through a lot of effort to get it to somebody who can use it. There absolutely is some room in there for like "yeah we're getting rid of this because we don't want to sell it but it is still absolutely safe to consume", but it's just a difficult needle to thread in an area of society where there's never enough money or manpower.
    - johnisgood 2y ago
      N=1, but my girlfriend sells bread and when there are events she gladly gives a lot more than one slice because she knows otherwise it would be just thrown out.
  - fallinghawks 2y ago
    The son of a friend is with a group that collects unused restaurant food and distributes it. I think it's in the Davis CA area. If you want more details i can find out, but I'm guessing you just want to know if they exist.
- lo_zamoyski 2y ago
  One way to solve this might be to institute some kind of cultural practice of largesse. That is, if it becomes disreputable to throw away food and a kind of hour of charity is created, that might help. The devil is in the details, but this may be one way to go about it, even if not daily, even if not perfect.
  - Ozzie_osman 2y ago
    There are cultures around the world where it is really, really bad to throw away food. People with extra food that won't be eaten as leftovers will offer it to less fortunate people who live or work in the neighborhood.
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- esperent 2y ago
  I've had friends collect waste food from restaurants for the homeless under the Food not Bombs banner in Dublin. After a couple of days the Guards (Irish police) put a stop to it. Quite a few restaurants and bakeries did donate, although many did not.
buzzert 2y ago
> there is ample evidence that homelessness can be solved if there is sufficient political will to implement a structural solution The unresolvable problem of homelessness is this: how do you house these people without concentrating poverty? The reason this is unresolvable is because if you build housing only for the homeless, that is by definition concentrating poverty. If you try to house them in multi-family housing, those who live there who work and pay taxes will move out, because unfortunately many of the homeless bring anti-social tendencies with them (and nobody wants to live next to a person addicted to drugs, even if they're on the path to recovery). This experiment happened in both the Netherlands[0] and in St. Louis[1]. This isn't an easy solution that just requires "political will". It's a very complicated problem that requires the study of incentives, mental health, economic factors, etc. (all mentioned in the original article). [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bijlmermeer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bijlmermeer [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruitt%E2%80%93Igoe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruitt%E2%80%93Igoe

johnisgood 2y ago

Restaurants MUST throw away food because it would look bad to have homeless people around the area, public image and all. I am against this wasting of food. This does not apply to restaurants only FWIW.

jacknews 2y ago
Are there not charities that go around collecting leftover restaurant food that's still edible?
- johnisgood 2y ago
  I am not sure, definitely unheard of in my country. If you know of a country that does this (or maybe a state in the US, or just a city somewhere) I would like to know for the sake of restoring some faith in humanity.
  - Thorrez 2y ago
    Here's a charity that does it in the US: https://www.foodrunners.org/ https://www.foodrunners.org/
  - gharper 2y ago
    My local county lists a few options for local businesses looking to donate excess food: https://kingcounty.gov/en/legacy/depts/dnrp/solid-waste/programs/waste-prevention/toolkit/food-rescue https://kingcounty.gov/en/legacy/depts/dnrp/solid-waste/prog...
- rtkwe 2y ago
  Gathering and distribution for that would be complicated, have to keep all the gathered items food safe while you gather and then distribute. It's much simpler to operate a dedicated kitchen with donated/discounted supplies on many axis.
- kadoban 2y ago
  In short: yes, there are, but it's difficult. There's logistical issues, like: restaurants are busy and usually can't spare somebody to go find somebody to take excess, having excess is unpredictable so setting up a system is hard, having 8000 loaves of bread or whatever is too much (nobody wants to eat that much bread), etc. Also if the restaurant/grocery/etc. is getting rid of food, it's usually in the neighborhood of not being suitable for consumption anymore. If it's not suitable for consumption, you can't really make a great case for then collecting it and giving it to somebody to eat, even if they're hungry and poor. So you need someone to have good food, care for it safely, but not want to use/sell it but still go through a lot of effort to get it to somebody who can use it. There absolutely is some room in there for like "yeah we're getting rid of this because we don't want to sell it but it is still absolutely safe to consume", but it's just a difficult needle to thread in an area of society where there's never enough money or manpower.
  - johnisgood 2y ago
    N=1, but my girlfriend sells bread and when there are events she gladly gives a lot more than one slice because she knows otherwise it would be just thrown out.
- fallinghawks 2y ago
  The son of a friend is with a group that collects unused restaurant food and distributes it. I think it's in the Davis CA area. If you want more details i can find out, but I'm guessing you just want to know if they exist.
lo_zamoyski 2y ago
One way to solve this might be to institute some kind of cultural practice of largesse. That is, if it becomes disreputable to throw away food and a kind of hour of charity is created, that might help. The devil is in the details, but this may be one way to go about it, even if not daily, even if not perfect.
- Ozzie_osman 2y ago
  There are cultures around the world where it is really, really bad to throw away food. People with extra food that won't be eaten as leftovers will offer it to less fortunate people who live or work in the neighborhood.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
esperent 2y ago
I've had friends collect waste food from restaurants for the homeless under the Food not Bombs banner in Dublin. After a couple of days the Guards (Irish police) put a stop to it. Quite a few restaurants and bakeries did donate, although many did not.

buzzert 2y ago

> there is ample evidence that homelessness can be solved if there is sufficient political will to implement a structural solution The unresolvable problem of homelessness is this: how do you house these people without concentrating poverty? The reason this is unresolvable is because if you build housing only for the homeless, that is by definition concentrating poverty. If you try to house them in multi-family housing, those who live there who work and pay taxes will move out, because unfortunately many of the homeless bring anti-social tendencies with them (and nobody wants to live next to a person addicted to drugs, even if they're on the path to recovery). This experiment happened in both the Netherlands[0] and in St. Louis[1]. This isn't an easy solution that just requires "political will". It's a very complicated problem that requires the study of incentives, mental health, economic factors, etc. (all mentioned in the original article). [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bijlmermeer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bijlmermeer [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruitt%E2%80%93Igoe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruitt%E2%80%93Igoe