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Why does the user care if its watermarked? Surely there are only some use cases for this stuff where it matters. Most of the time isn't it just people having ep

Why does the user care if its watermarked? Surely there are only some use cases for this stuff where it matters. Most of the time isn't it just people having ephemeral chats where this wouldn't matter?

ajdlinux 2y ago
Using LLMs to write your essays and reports for school or uni, in a way that could get you punished if caught, is a reasonably big use case.
- highcountess 2y ago
  I see no scenario where there won’t be an LLM that is deliberately tailored for that purpose, possibly even built by an “intel” agency for the very purpose of having blackmail over someone that may become useful later in their career.
- beepbooptheory 2y ago
  Agreed its probably a big use case in general, but like token per token I bet its relatively small! How many big papers do you have to write a semester? Even if its four, that's nothing compared to the everyday use you will make of it.
  - ajdlinux 2y ago
    Sure, but institutions and regulators care about this issue, and at least making some attempt to address it will make them slightly happier.
tokioyoyo 2y ago
AIs and LLMs have an extremely uphill PR battle to fight right now. Anything that is deemed AI generated is assumed to be borderline trash (lots of exceptions, but you get the point). So, I can see that if someone uses LLM to generate text, they don’t want it to be marked as “low effort content”.
- beepbooptheory 2y ago
  There are definitely exceptions, and that there are maybe proves that it is less Anti-AI prejudice at play and more just reacting to things that are indeed trashy. It just so happens a lot of it today is from AI I think (for, I hope, obvious reasons). Just to say, maybe give it a little time, but a watermark like this is not going be thing that decides someone's reaction in the near future, just what it says. (I am just betting here). But its going to be an uphill battle either way if you are really getting the model to write everything, I do not envy that kind of project.

ajdlinux 2y ago

Using LLMs to write your essays and reports for school or uni, in a way that could get you punished if caught, is a reasonably big use case.

highcountess 2y ago
I see no scenario where there won’t be an LLM that is deliberately tailored for that purpose, possibly even built by an “intel” agency for the very purpose of having blackmail over someone that may become useful later in their career.
beepbooptheory 2y ago
Agreed its probably a big use case in general, but like token per token I bet its relatively small! How many big papers do you have to write a semester? Even if its four, that's nothing compared to the everyday use you will make of it.
- ajdlinux 2y ago
  Sure, but institutions and regulators care about this issue, and at least making some attempt to address it will make them slightly happier.

tokioyoyo 2y ago

AIs and LLMs have an extremely uphill PR battle to fight right now. Anything that is deemed AI generated is assumed to be borderline trash (lots of exceptions, but you get the point). So, I can see that if someone uses LLM to generate text, they don’t want it to be marked as “low effort content”.

beepbooptheory 2y ago
There are definitely exceptions, and that there are maybe proves that it is less Anti-AI prejudice at play and more just reacting to things that are indeed trashy. It just so happens a lot of it today is from AI I think (for, I hope, obvious reasons). Just to say, maybe give it a little time, but a watermark like this is not going be thing that decides someone's reaction in the near future, just what it says. (I am just betting here). But its going to be an uphill battle either way if you are really getting the model to write everything, I do not envy that kind of project.