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If like 5% of people keep buying gas powered sports cars or things like large trucks and SUV’s which are just expensive or less practical to electrify for their

If like 5% of people keep buying gas powered sports cars or things like large trucks and SUV’s which are just expensive or less practical to electrify for their use case I don’t think it will particularly stem the tide of electrification in the US and that’s also ignoring manufacturers like lucid which are making esoteric expensive high performance EV’s.

FirmwareBurner 2y ago
Are you seeing the same for motorcycles which are by far ICE based and not rushing to transition to electric?
- Shawnj2 2y ago
  There are plenty of electric motorcycles now and we're seeing ebikes crop up as a new class of vehicles between bicycles and motorcycles popular with kids who can't drive either cars or motorcycles (yes they're technically under a bunch of restrictions but in practice people put throttles on them and ride on them at 30 mph on the road) but either way electric motorcycles are definitely also switching to electric, just not in the US where they're mostly leisure vehicles. China is making and using a decent amount of electric motorcycles
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    >plenty of electric motorcycles now And who's buying them? All I hear is loud pipes everywhere which is probably why motorcycle lovers buy them in the first place. >just not in the US where they're mostly leisure vehicles How come the leisure vehicle argument doesn't also apply to ICE cars then?
    - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
      Motorbikes aren’t used for day to day usage in the USA like they are in Southeast Asia and China. But cars in the USA are, so they aren’t in the same usage bucket. Motorbikes have been mostly superseded by electric bikes in China. I’m sure the same thing will happen in Southeast Asia, but the last time I was there in 2016 it hadn’t happened yet.
      - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
        Motorcycles are definitely used for day to day in Europe where they're ICE and not electric.
        seanmcdirmid 2y ago
        Maybe in some countries. Definitely not in Switzerland when I lived there.
    - Shawnj2 2y ago
      As I said, China. It doesn’t because 40 year old Samantha who buys a minivan to take her 3 kids to soccer practice would have nothing to do with cars or buying a car if she lived in a place where the fastest transportation option was literally anything other than driving. She (and by extension the average car buyer) is just buying whatever the minimum cost and maximum reliability product that lets her accomplish what she wants to, which is everything other than driving or cars. By contrast the motorcycle market in the US is basically all enthusiasts lol. The 20 year old car guys who like working on their old sports cars are such a small percent of the market they don’t really matter when it comes to EV’s being boring stopping electrification.
- tass 2y ago
  Motorcycles (the kind that go highway speeds) have a range problem since they have poor aerodynamics, little room for batteries and charge slowly. For around a city or a commute to work they’re great, but very impractical for going on a ride.

FirmwareBurner 2y ago

Are you seeing the same for motorcycles which are by far ICE based and not rushing to transition to electric?

Shawnj2 2y ago
There are plenty of electric motorcycles now and we're seeing ebikes crop up as a new class of vehicles between bicycles and motorcycles popular with kids who can't drive either cars or motorcycles (yes they're technically under a bunch of restrictions but in practice people put throttles on them and ride on them at 30 mph on the road) but either way electric motorcycles are definitely also switching to electric, just not in the US where they're mostly leisure vehicles. China is making and using a decent amount of electric motorcycles
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  >plenty of electric motorcycles now And who's buying them? All I hear is loud pipes everywhere which is probably why motorcycle lovers buy them in the first place. >just not in the US where they're mostly leisure vehicles How come the leisure vehicle argument doesn't also apply to ICE cars then?
  - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
    Motorbikes aren’t used for day to day usage in the USA like they are in Southeast Asia and China. But cars in the USA are, so they aren’t in the same usage bucket. Motorbikes have been mostly superseded by electric bikes in China. I’m sure the same thing will happen in Southeast Asia, but the last time I was there in 2016 it hadn’t happened yet.
    - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
      Motorcycles are definitely used for day to day in Europe where they're ICE and not electric.
      - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
        Maybe in some countries. Definitely not in Switzerland when I lived there.
  - Shawnj2 2y ago
    As I said, China. It doesn’t because 40 year old Samantha who buys a minivan to take her 3 kids to soccer practice would have nothing to do with cars or buying a car if she lived in a place where the fastest transportation option was literally anything other than driving. She (and by extension the average car buyer) is just buying whatever the minimum cost and maximum reliability product that lets her accomplish what she wants to, which is everything other than driving or cars. By contrast the motorcycle market in the US is basically all enthusiasts lol. The 20 year old car guys who like working on their old sports cars are such a small percent of the market they don’t really matter when it comes to EV’s being boring stopping electrification.
tass 2y ago
Motorcycles (the kind that go highway speeds) have a range problem since they have poor aerodynamics, little room for batteries and charge slowly. For around a city or a commute to work they’re great, but very impractical for going on a ride.