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It's quite sad that Russia has better partners than Ukraine does. Zelensky has to beg every day for the West to fulfill its promises while the Russians send som

It's quite sad that Russia has better partners than Ukraine does. Zelensky has to beg every day for the West to fulfill its promises while the Russians send some rice and North Korea sends 12k soldiers. China, Iran, and India are funding and supplying Russia with more aid than the US/EU is supplying Ukraine with. Sadly the EU still sends more money every year to Russian coffers than it lends to Ukraine. The West is losing its influence and the USA is losing its reputation as a reliable partner. An undesirable result of the War in Ukraine will have some severe consequences for the US/EU in the decades to come. A lot of folks are just oblivious to it.

ronsor 2y ago
Russia's "partners" are vultures ready to swoop in and consume everything if the country collapses.
- chgs 2y ago
  When. But the same can be said about the US. Look at the “reconstruction” of Iraq.
  - no_exit 2y ago
    > Iraq's oil infrastructure was damaged when the CPA took over. The CPA effected selected repairs. But the IAMB found that the CPA had chosen not to repair the meters on the pipelines. The IAMB told the CPA that they were concerned that the lack of metering made auditing Iraq's oil exports unreliable – making it impossible to detect fraud, deception or smuggling. The minutes of the IAMB meeting make clear that the CPA had assured the IAMB that they were in the process of repairing the meters – in bad faith. The CPA's authority came to an end with the meters unrepaired. Estimates of how much oil revenue was siphoned off during the year of the CPA's administration go as high as $4 billion – comparable to the amount Saddam Hussein is suspected of stealing during the entire duration of the oil-for-food program. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_Fund_for_Iraq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_Fund_for_Iraq You have to laugh...
- stonethrowaway 2y ago
  Framing it differently, they have skin in the game.
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- potatototoo99 2y ago
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- mjfl 2y ago
  I think this sentence makes more sense if you are talking about Ukraine and its partners.
- moltar 2y ago
  And Ukrainian partners don’t even wait for that. Lands are being divided and bought out by BlackRock and the like for pennies on the dollar.
- JohnCClarke 2y ago
  “We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow.” -- Lord Palmerston (and repeated by Henry Kissinger) It's a dangerous world out there, and best not to be weak.
kev009 2y ago
For BRICS it's just business, for NK there is immense value in getting some combat experience without formally entering any war.. NATO countries do this all the time as well, look back at the GWOT and lots of lesser known skirmishes where especially non-conventional forces are cycled through. I also don't think the US and EU have pure motivations in any of this, particularly the US the EU just seems gullible.. the anti-Russia talk from the politicians is just fodder for the masses so the grift can continue as the actual actions and inactions tell a different story.. send complicated weapons systems ($$$), complicated weapons system doesn't work better start working on some new ones ($$$), oh that's some nice farmland you got there better let our corporations buy it up ($$$).
mannyv 2y ago
India isn't funding anything in the war, AFAIK. Just because they're BRICS doesn't mean they're doing anything in the war. And Russia's "partners" are a shit country stuck in 1880 (North Korea) and, well, China. China's great at intimidating third world countries, but in reality their support and capabilities are limited. As for India, well, back in the old days India would have taken Eastern Russia, since the Russian armed forces are busy trying not to get killed. At least China and India seem to have cooled down their border issues.
- ChumpGPT 2y ago
  https://finance.yahoo.com/video/big-indian-firm-sends-nvidia-191841655.html https://finance.yahoo.com/video/big-indian-firm-sends-nvidia... https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/indias-increased-purchase-of-russian-oil-is-helping-fuel-ukraine-war-european-think-tank/articleshow/107829601.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/indias-increase...
- zip1234 2y ago
  India is funding the war for Russia by buying all their oil.
  - gruez 2y ago
    There's a pretty big difference between "funding" a war by buying oil (BRICS/Non-Aligned), and "funding" a war by giving military aid (the West). Also, The West is still buying oil from Russia because for some countries there's still no alternative. https://www.economist.com/europe/2024/09/05/the-west-still-needs-russian-gas-that-comes-through-ukraine https://www.economist.com/europe/2024/09/05/the-west-still-n... https://archive.is/V0Efv https://archive.is/V0Efv
    - HDThoreaun 2y ago
      Russia sells oil to india, buys rice. Russia sends rice to korea, buys people and ammunition. How is India not funding russian war efforts?
bad_haircut72 2y ago
If Ukraine falls because USA cuts off aid expect every mid power in the world (South Korea / Japan / Australia / Italy etc) to begin their own nuclear weapons program immediately. “Losing its reputation” is an enormous understatement.
- nradov 2y ago
  It's pretty clear to every world leader now that the only guarantee of security is to have your own nuclear weapons, or to have a solid mutual defense treaty with a nuclear power. President Zelensky has basically stated that if Ukraine doesn't receive sufficient conventional military aid then they'll be forced to pursue nuclear weapons development. Whether they are actually capable of doing this before being conquered by Russia is unknown: they have multiple civilian nuclear power plants and skilled engineers but still it takes a lot to build an operational weapons system including the delivery platform. https://www.newsweek.com/nato-ukraine-membership-progress-donald-trump-brussels-1970816 https://www.newsweek.com/nato-ukraine-membership-progress-do... Regardless of what ultimately happens in Ukraine, nuclear proliferation is obviously going to accelerate. This is the very real consequence of the international community failing to collectively oppose Russian aggression.
  - HDThoreaun 2y ago
    If ukraine builds a credible nucellar program NATO likely sides with russia to end the war asap. Zero appetite for nuclear war
    - nojvek 2y ago
      Russia has quite a bit of apetite for nuclear war. They wouldn’t be poking the bear otherwise.
      - HDThoreaun 2y ago
        Which is why NATO wont let ukraine get nukes. Cant stop russia from getting nukes so only option is stopping ukraine.
xattt 2y ago
> The West is losing its influence and the USA is losing its reputation as a reliable partner. The undermined reputation came about because of a significant foreign influence effort that saw an agent hold the seat of power.
jajko 2y ago
Well, you are unfortunately correct. But as coming from Europe, I blame mostly EU at the end. US shouldn't be the sole policeman and shield to 450 million economically strong block. When I look at the government and its steps re defense, its beyond pathetic. Almost nobody does even mandatory 2% GDP -> NATO flow, the only countries doing so are those treated brutally by soviets/russian in the past - Poland, baltic states. Heck, freakin' Germany is trying to put their highway maintenance costs into those 2%, since 'army anyway has to drive on them' - that's borderline treasonous behavior from Scholz in situation where enemy is at literal gates and repeatedly stated that it will wipe out half of population in nuclear strikes if they want to. Polish army can roll over wehrmacht anytime without breaking a sweat. Sane voices from former eastern bloc countries well-versed in soviet terror and brutality were completely ignored first months of war. Leading countries in EU are still acting like there is some tiny annoying localized conflict far away and it will for sure end next month, and not like existential situation with many parallels with WWII and Hitler's behavior before and during it. They could have boosted their economies by diverting more money into defense, instead we get shooting in our own foot with endless green deal to kill half of European industry. Environmentally war on Ukraine is an utter disaster - we have some paper straws stupidities while they blow up 1 million plastic + chemistry + metal drones per year, on top of all other stuff blowing and burning to hell. That's probably the only thing I agree with trump (those 2%), but then again its painfully obvious and Obama kept saying the same. With russians they understand only the rule of stronger, just like typical mafia. Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum. /rant
- CHB0403085482 2y ago
  Cartoon from 1930 but just as relevant today ~ https://x.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1851955766585950476#m https://x.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1851955766585950476#m
- lostmsu 2y ago
  While I mostly agree, it took Hitler 1 month to take over Poland. Russia is still struggling 2 years later (8 since you should count from Crimea).

ronsor 2y ago

Russia's "partners" are vultures ready to swoop in and consume everything if the country collapses.

chgs 2y ago
When. But the same can be said about the US. Look at the “reconstruction” of Iraq.
- no_exit 2y ago
  > Iraq's oil infrastructure was damaged when the CPA took over. The CPA effected selected repairs. But the IAMB found that the CPA had chosen not to repair the meters on the pipelines. The IAMB told the CPA that they were concerned that the lack of metering made auditing Iraq's oil exports unreliable – making it impossible to detect fraud, deception or smuggling. The minutes of the IAMB meeting make clear that the CPA had assured the IAMB that they were in the process of repairing the meters – in bad faith. The CPA's authority came to an end with the meters unrepaired. Estimates of how much oil revenue was siphoned off during the year of the CPA's administration go as high as $4 billion – comparable to the amount Saddam Hussein is suspected of stealing during the entire duration of the oil-for-food program. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_Fund_for_Iraq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_Fund_for_Iraq You have to laugh...
stonethrowaway 2y ago
Framing it differently, they have skin in the game.
- deleted 2y ago
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potatototoo99 2y ago
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mjfl 2y ago
I think this sentence makes more sense if you are talking about Ukraine and its partners.
moltar 2y ago
And Ukrainian partners don’t even wait for that. Lands are being divided and bought out by BlackRock and the like for pennies on the dollar.
JohnCClarke 2y ago
“We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow.” -- Lord Palmerston (and repeated by Henry Kissinger) It's a dangerous world out there, and best not to be weak.

kev009 2y ago

For BRICS it's just business, for NK there is immense value in getting some combat experience without formally entering any war.. NATO countries do this all the time as well, look back at the GWOT and lots of lesser known skirmishes where especially non-conventional forces are cycled through. I also don't think the US and EU have pure motivations in any of this, particularly the US the EU just seems gullible.. the anti-Russia talk from the politicians is just fodder for the masses so the grift can continue as the actual actions and inactions tell a different story.. send complicated weapons systems ($$$), complicated weapons system doesn't work better start working on some new ones ($$$), oh that's some nice farmland you got there better let our corporations buy it up ($$$).

mannyv 2y ago

India isn't funding anything in the war, AFAIK. Just because they're BRICS doesn't mean they're doing anything in the war. And Russia's "partners" are a shit country stuck in 1880 (North Korea) and, well, China. China's great at intimidating third world countries, but in reality their support and capabilities are limited. As for India, well, back in the old days India would have taken Eastern Russia, since the Russian armed forces are busy trying not to get killed. At least China and India seem to have cooled down their border issues.

ChumpGPT 2y ago
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/big-indian-firm-sends-nvidia-191841655.html https://finance.yahoo.com/video/big-indian-firm-sends-nvidia... https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/indias-increased-purchase-of-russian-oil-is-helping-fuel-ukraine-war-european-think-tank/articleshow/107829601.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/indias-increase...
zip1234 2y ago
India is funding the war for Russia by buying all their oil.
- gruez 2y ago
  There's a pretty big difference between "funding" a war by buying oil (BRICS/Non-Aligned), and "funding" a war by giving military aid (the West). Also, The West is still buying oil from Russia because for some countries there's still no alternative. https://www.economist.com/europe/2024/09/05/the-west-still-needs-russian-gas-that-comes-through-ukraine https://www.economist.com/europe/2024/09/05/the-west-still-n... https://archive.is/V0Efv https://archive.is/V0Efv
  - HDThoreaun 2y ago
    Russia sells oil to india, buys rice. Russia sends rice to korea, buys people and ammunition. How is India not funding russian war efforts?

bad_haircut72 2y ago

If Ukraine falls because USA cuts off aid expect every mid power in the world (South Korea / Japan / Australia / Italy etc) to begin their own nuclear weapons program immediately. “Losing its reputation” is an enormous understatement.

nradov 2y ago
It's pretty clear to every world leader now that the only guarantee of security is to have your own nuclear weapons, or to have a solid mutual defense treaty with a nuclear power. President Zelensky has basically stated that if Ukraine doesn't receive sufficient conventional military aid then they'll be forced to pursue nuclear weapons development. Whether they are actually capable of doing this before being conquered by Russia is unknown: they have multiple civilian nuclear power plants and skilled engineers but still it takes a lot to build an operational weapons system including the delivery platform. https://www.newsweek.com/nato-ukraine-membership-progress-donald-trump-brussels-1970816 https://www.newsweek.com/nato-ukraine-membership-progress-do... Regardless of what ultimately happens in Ukraine, nuclear proliferation is obviously going to accelerate. This is the very real consequence of the international community failing to collectively oppose Russian aggression.
- HDThoreaun 2y ago
  If ukraine builds a credible nucellar program NATO likely sides with russia to end the war asap. Zero appetite for nuclear war
  - nojvek 2y ago
    Russia has quite a bit of apetite for nuclear war. They wouldn’t be poking the bear otherwise.
    - HDThoreaun 2y ago
      Which is why NATO wont let ukraine get nukes. Cant stop russia from getting nukes so only option is stopping ukraine.

xattt 2y ago

> The West is losing its influence and the USA is losing its reputation as a reliable partner. The undermined reputation came about because of a significant foreign influence effort that saw an agent hold the seat of power.

jajko 2y ago

Well, you are unfortunately correct. But as coming from Europe, I blame mostly EU at the end. US shouldn't be the sole policeman and shield to 450 million economically strong block. When I look at the government and its steps re defense, its beyond pathetic. Almost nobody does even mandatory 2% GDP -> NATO flow, the only countries doing so are those treated brutally by soviets/russian in the past - Poland, baltic states. Heck, freakin' Germany is trying to put their highway maintenance costs into those 2%, since 'army anyway has to drive on them' - that's borderline treasonous behavior from Scholz in situation where enemy is at literal gates and repeatedly stated that it will wipe out half of population in nuclear strikes if they want to. Polish army can roll over wehrmacht anytime without breaking a sweat. Sane voices from former eastern bloc countries well-versed in soviet terror and brutality were completely ignored first months of war. Leading countries in EU are still acting like there is some tiny annoying localized conflict far away and it will for sure end next month, and not like existential situation with many parallels with WWII and Hitler's behavior before and during it. They could have boosted their economies by diverting more money into defense, instead we get shooting in our own foot with endless green deal to kill half of European industry. Environmentally war on Ukraine is an utter disaster - we have some paper straws stupidities while they blow up 1 million plastic + chemistry + metal drones per year, on top of all other stuff blowing and burning to hell. That's probably the only thing I agree with trump (those 2%), but then again its painfully obvious and Obama kept saying the same. With russians they understand only the rule of stronger, just like typical mafia. Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum. /rant

CHB0403085482 2y ago
Cartoon from 1930 but just as relevant today ~ https://x.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1851955766585950476#m https://x.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1851955766585950476#m
lostmsu 2y ago
While I mostly agree, it took Hitler 1 month to take over Poland. Russia is still struggling 2 years later (8 since you should count from Crimea).