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> the End key Surprised to hear that there is a user of this button. I don't think I've ever used them, and in the last decade or so I've bought keyboards that

> the End key Surprised to hear that there is a user of this button. I don't think I've ever used them, and in the last decade or so I've bought keyboards that don't have them at all.

AndrewDucker 2y ago
How do you move the cursor to the end of the current line of text you're editing?
- fweimer 2y ago
  $ or Ctrl-E.
- ben_w 2y ago
  On a mac, ⌘ →
- pazimzadeh 2y ago
  Command+Left or Right arrow
chrismcb 2y ago
Surprised to hear there are people, presumably in tech, that don't use the end key. I go out of my way to find keyboards that have end and home. Makes it easy to get to the the of the line, or end of the word. And frustrates me to no end when I'm using the mac
- mbreese 2y ago
  And here I’m surprised there are people, supposedly in tech, that don’t just auto hit ctrl-a or ctrl-e (or ^ or $ or A) to get to the start/end of lines. To each their own, I guess.
  - RealStickman_ 2y ago
    ^a and ^e don't work on Windows and most general programs for getting to the start or end of a line.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - tsimionescu 2y ago
    You really should say C-a and C-e, if you're referring to the emacs commands. For the vast majority of modern computer programs, ctrl+a is "Select All".
mshockwave 2y ago
I only buy keyboards, even when I wanted a compact one, with home/end keys because it's so much more productive especially in coding in a terminal.
heroprotagonist 2y ago
...do you use Macs? It's a lot less common to want to quickly reach the end of the document than the end of the line. Ctrl-end to end of document, used by most other OS, is a lot more sane. There was absolutely NO technical reason to change this behavior, other than to stockholm Apple users who might think of leaving the ecosystem.
lovich 2y ago
The windows experience for string manipulation out of the box is 10000000% better than macOS. There might be some configuration or third party software I can use to emulate it, but on windows I can treat space delimited words and lines with much more granularity than I can on macOS
- Groxx 2y ago
  I'm gonna have to massively disagree with you there. MacOS has (basic) emacs motion keys in very nearly every input in your entire machine, regardless of what app it is or who built it or what purpose the input is serving. And cmd-[common stuff] is frequently handled at the OS level via menus, so apps roughly never screw it up, and you can customize it across all of them. Windows and Linux have absolutely nothing on OSX's consistency.
  - lovich 2y ago
    >has (basic) emacs motion keys well there you go, youve lost the majority of people who use computers. If you use emacs and/or vim or their various flavors then you are the equivalent of an f1 driver questioning why anyone uses an automatic vehicle. Id posit the fact that in my day jobs where I am issued a mac laptop that then plugs into a kvm switch where the keyboard does not match the same key commands as the OS unless I set up a ._ file, and that this has happened at multiple jobs going back to pre covid era, as a sign that macOS is actually a worse user experience. The customer is always right after all
    - pxc 2y ago
      C-a, C-e, and some other Emacs basics shared by readline are universal defaults on, for instance, macOS. They don't get in anyone's way there.

> the End key Surprised to hear that there is a user of this button. I don't think I've ever used them, and in the last decade or so I've bought keyboards that don't have them at all.

AndrewDucker 2y ago

How do you move the cursor to the end of the current line of text you're editing?

fweimer 2y ago
$ or Ctrl-E.
ben_w 2y ago
On a mac, ⌘ →
pazimzadeh 2y ago
Command+Left or Right arrow

chrismcb 2y ago

Surprised to hear there are people, presumably in tech, that don't use the end key. I go out of my way to find keyboards that have end and home. Makes it easy to get to the the of the line, or end of the word. And frustrates me to no end when I'm using the mac

mbreese 2y ago
And here I’m surprised there are people, supposedly in tech, that don’t just auto hit ctrl-a or ctrl-e (or ^ or $ or A) to get to the start/end of lines. To each their own, I guess.
- RealStickman_ 2y ago
  ^a and ^e don't work on Windows and most general programs for getting to the start or end of a line.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- tsimionescu 2y ago
  You really should say C-a and C-e, if you're referring to the emacs commands. For the vast majority of modern computer programs, ctrl+a is "Select All".

mshockwave 2y ago

I only buy keyboards, even when I wanted a compact one, with home/end keys because it's so much more productive especially in coding in a terminal.

heroprotagonist 2y ago

...do you use Macs? It's a lot less common to want to quickly reach the end of the document than the end of the line. Ctrl-end to end of document, used by most other OS, is a lot more sane. There was absolutely NO technical reason to change this behavior, other than to stockholm Apple users who might think of leaving the ecosystem.

lovich 2y ago

The windows experience for string manipulation out of the box is 10000000% better than macOS. There might be some configuration or third party software I can use to emulate it, but on windows I can treat space delimited words and lines with much more granularity than I can on macOS

Groxx 2y ago
I'm gonna have to massively disagree with you there. MacOS has (basic) emacs motion keys in very nearly every input in your entire machine, regardless of what app it is or who built it or what purpose the input is serving. And cmd-[common stuff] is frequently handled at the OS level via menus, so apps roughly never screw it up, and you can customize it across all of them. Windows and Linux have absolutely nothing on OSX's consistency.
- lovich 2y ago
  >has (basic) emacs motion keys well there you go, youve lost the majority of people who use computers. If you use emacs and/or vim or their various flavors then you are the equivalent of an f1 driver questioning why anyone uses an automatic vehicle. Id posit the fact that in my day jobs where I am issued a mac laptop that then plugs into a kvm switch where the keyboard does not match the same key commands as the OS unless I set up a ._ file, and that this has happened at multiple jobs going back to pre covid era, as a sign that macOS is actually a worse user experience. The customer is always right after all
  - pxc 2y ago
    C-a, C-e, and some other Emacs basics shared by readline are universal defaults on, for instance, macOS. They don't get in anyone's way there.