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Quotes from people 30 and above which sounds about right. Is anyone these days growing up using Excel over Google Sheets? You used to have to pirate Excel and G
by vlovich123 2y ago
Quotes from people 30 and above which sounds about right. Is anyone these days growing up using Excel over Google Sheets? You used to have to pirate Excel and Google just gives it away for free with a free email account.
- add-sub-mul-div 2y agoBut then you have all the usability issues of a complex app shoehorned into a browser. I'll always use a native application when it's available.
- baq 2y agoSheets is unfortunately mostly better than Numbers.
- thimabi 2y agoNot disagreeing, but I find it very ironic that there’s little difference in performance between Excel as a native app and as a web app. I don’t know if that mostly reflects the technical prowess of the web dev team or the inefficiencies of the native app.
- dartharva 2y agoThat's incorrect. Not only is the web app drastically trimmed of features, but is also in no way a match to the native app in performance. You can test for yourself - try doing some complex operations on large datasets on both. See which one performs better.
- dartharva 2y agoExcel leaves GSheets and all its alternatives in the dust in terms of performance and stability. I used to maintain MIS trackers in Google Sheets once, and when my company made the inevitable shift to MS Suite I saw an immediate improvement. FWIW I'm 25.
- gregates 2y agoWell, not all its alternatives. There's one spreadsheet out there that has better performance than Excel: https://rowzero.io/home https://rowzero.io/home
- eviks 2y agoHow is its offline performance?
- vlovich123 2y agoI think you’re talking about it in a professional environment. That won’t matter if the people are growing up on GSheets today & demand that tool from their employer. Very old tale in SW.
- baq 2y agoEmployers will tell them that their serious sheets only work in excel and it’s similar enough that they’ll figure it out and they’ll be right on both counts.
- vlovich123 2y agoDepends on the profession. The company might shell out money for accounting to use excel. But PMs, engineers, TPMs, etc etc are likely to be told “hey we’re using google workplaces and aren’t going to buy you an excel license” unless you can make a very convincing case. That represents a shrinking pie for Excel even if specific professional use remains on Excel while everyone else moves on. Similar stuff happened with things like COBOL, IBM mainframes, etc. That’s why Microsoft competes with their 365 offering, but Google really put a dent in Microsoft’s near monopoly on OS+productivity tools that they built up and cemented in the 90s/early 00’s.
- layer8 2y agoIn my experience it depends more on the company you’re in than on the profession.
- baq 2y agoFree isn’t good enough. Sheets has stupid limitations like a hard cap of 10M or so cells per document.
- happytoexplain 2y agoI love GSheets for convenience. But as soon as you're doing anything large and complex, GSheets might as well not even exist. It's simply not viable.
- vlovich123 2y agoGSheets is the good enough factor and the collaborative features were baked in from the start. I feel like MS struggles a bit in that respect. Look at the instructions for collaborating in Excel: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/collaborate-on-excel-workbooks-at-the-same-time-with-co-authoring-7152aa8b-b791-414c-a3bb-3024e46fb104 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/collaborate-on-ex...
- financetechbro 2y agoI’ve had the pleasure of investing many hours across excel and gsheets. I’m currently at an org that uses MS suite and excel collaboration across OneDrive & Sharepoint is almost seamless now as long as long as you’re on the cloud
- zo1 2y agoI don't think people are remotely aware how Good MS tools are atm when it comes to collaboration and integration with their "other" suit of tools. Yes, it's ugly sharepoint under the hood somewhere, but for all intents and purposes it looks and works like magic when I'm collaborating in real-time with my coworkers over any sort of MS document. This whole "real time collaboration" comment as a reason to prefer some half-baked and confusing "GSheets" web app is frankly confusing. Though, now that I think about it, it kind of makes sense: We are in an industry where the newcomers are being indoctrinated via evangelists and overall Schadenfreude, into using half-baked "IDEs" like VSCode.
- sam29681749 2y agoOur team runs into errors (changes not syncing, etc.) on a regular basis 'collaborating' with Excel. definately doesn't work like magic in my experience.
- fassssst 2y agoExcel is free online too.
- mindslight 2y agoImmediately focusing on the distinction between Microsoft Excel Proper and competing implementations with essentially similar functionality is so weird to me. I feel a fondness for this article despite not having used Microsoft Excel itself for like two decades. The point is the larger genre, and the empowerment of programming and data management capabilities it creates for regular users.
- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 2y agoI have private information in my files, and I don't want to share it with google. Google will scan it, use it for ad profiling, sell to whomever and store all commits for eternity. Quote probably government has access too. And, of course, they will use it for AI training, which could be reverse-engineered in the future to extract training data.
- ddingus 2y agoExactly. I always have at least one machine setup with all local tools and storage. Any new ideation and certainly anything private gets done on that computer first.
- heraldgeezer 2y agoI worked for an MSP in Europe, so IT provider. No company used Google Workspace. All where Office 365. You use what the company wants you to use :) If you zoomerettes try to use your own google account you will get flagged for data extraction. :) Also the web version of office is free, did you know? https://www.office.com/ https://www.office.com/