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Diabetes risk soars for adults who had a sweet tooth as kids
- koolba 2y ago> Economic hardship during the Second World War forced the government to institute food rations, and limits on sugar were not lifted until 1953, years after the war ended. > The researchers found that the people conceived during the sugar limitations had a 35% lower risk of diabetes and a 20% lower risk of high blood pressure than people conceived after the rationing. Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. Turns out it wasn’t just about grit.
- eblume 2y agoI don't know why this has to be about men and strength and cycles of violence. I think this is about value extraction. During times of plenty, we structure our economy to maximize the value, and in our current policy that means putting sugar in everything. It's what makes the most money. We don't factor in the cost, and we don't value the alternatives. We turn sunlight in to sugar in to human fat, because it makes the most money. In war, scarcity and changes in spending priorities mean the economics changes and we don't get as much money in the sunlight->sugar->human fat chain, so we make less human fat. I don't think this is a good idea, but I do think it is what we are doing. But really my philosophy of it is not the important thing here, I offer it merely because, respectfully, I don't agree with your framing.
- mountainmonk 2y agoOr, hear me out on this crazy idea that might just work?. What if instead of wishing for hard times so that we can have "hard men", what if instead of all of that which you know must include a lot of suffering and death in order to make the hard men... What if istead of all of that we just stop putting sugar into every freaking thing?. Crazy idea I know!, but it just might be crazy enough to work!.
- iwontberude 2y agoI don't know about you but I enjoy the demonstration of accelerationism as a motivating philosophy. It's really dry satire, but it's hard to read it as anything else. Also, who are you to judge those that want their men to get hard?
- rustcleaner 2y agoACCELERATE!!
- helsinki 2y agoType 1 or Type 2? It took me one minute of additional research to determine that this is related to Type 2 diabetes, yet the author didn't even bother to mention. This is lazy journalism motivated by maximizing clicks.
- dylan604 2y agohow does defining the type or not of diabetes make this any less/more lazy on the journalist? if you have either type, you are considered diabetic, one that has diabetes.
- petepete 2y agoType 1 is an autoimmune disease. Type 2 is a gradual loss of the ability to produce insulin. The final destination might be the same but the causes and journeys are very different.
- guerby 2y agoType 2 may also be interpreted as too much insulin but with insulin resistance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinsulinemia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinsulinemia
- helsinki 2y agoIt's lazy because it is not relevant data for people with Type 1 diabetes, yet the article implies that it is. It is implying that eight million people with type 1 diabetes may have it because their mom ate too much sugar, while the article is actually targeted towards the 537 million people with type 2 diabetes. Those of us with type 1 diabetes, an autoimmune disease, are so tired of being lumped in with the vast majority that destroyed their body with lack of exercise and poor diet.
- kamens 2y agothe diseases, their effects, their causes, and their treatments are dramatically different
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- xnx 2y ago15 hours ago, 12 comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42013608 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42013608
- reedf1 2y agoI had a sweet tooth as a kid. I treat candy and ice cream like a drug addict does. It can't be in the house, I won't even let myself have some on special occasions. There is a circuit in my brain completely broken by this; evil.
- meiraleal 2y agoSame. I smoke weed regularly but the craving for sugar and then the crash can't compare to anything
- l5870uoo9y 2y agoBitters take away the sweet tooth, such as grapefruit (especially organic), bitter tea or natural bitter drops. Eat a grapefruit after dinner and you cravings should be severely limited.
- thenobsta 2y agoI'm going to try this! Do you have a natural bitter drop that you like? Seems like there are a bunch of different formulations out there.
- l5870uoo9y 2y agoI haven't tried any bitter drops as I only eat grapefruits. Got the advice from "leading" nutritionist in Germany – so it should be sound advice.
- haccount 2y agoI spent a brief moment working close to nutritionists and completely lost faith in their ability to do anything correctly beyond counting calories.
- l5870uoo9y 2y agoI have the same reservations, and not just about dietitians but also other scientific disciplines. Many dietitians are first and foremost businessmen selling various supplements. Whether the supplement is necessary, effective or even harmful is less important. The dietitians I trust document their dietary advice week after week by curing various ailments and diseases through scientific treatments (and they never recommend specific products): https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/die-ernaehrungsdocs/rueckschau/index.html https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/die-ernaehrungsdocs/r...
- mfer 2y agoI wonder if this is due to the effects of eating this as a child or if eating that was as a child built in habits and it's the long term effects of eating this way that had an impact. For example, if someone at a lot of candy as a kid but stopped as an adult, how do their odds look?
- ErikAugust 2y agoCan’t Type 2 diabetes be reversed with a change in diet? That’s at least possible. I’d also think someone who avoids sugar as an adult would be at a far lower risk. It might be good to start avoiding sugar at any time regardless of past habits.
- mfer 2y agoIf there is no permanent damage to your body, then Type 2 can be reversed. I've known Type 2 diabetics who no longer have it because of diet change.
- guerby 2y agoYes change in diet and going to a lower carbohydrate diet does work on some type 2 people according to: https://nutrition.bmj.com/content/early/2023/01/02/bmjnph-2022-000544 https://nutrition.bmj.com/content/early/2023/01/02/bmjnph-20... "What predicts drug-free type 2 diabetes remission? Insights from an 8-year general practice service evaluation of a lower carbohydrate diet with weight loss " "Methods Advice on a lower carbohydrate diet and weight loss was offered routinely to people with T2D between 2013 and 2021, in a suburban practice with 9800 patients. (...)" "Results (...) Remission of diabetes was achieved in 77% with T2D duration less than 1 year, falling to 20% for duration greater than 15 years. Overall, remission was achieved in 51% of the cohort. (...)" Note: most read paper in BMJ history according to https://bmj.altmetric.com/details/140757393 https://bmj.altmetric.com/details/140757393
- tzs 2y agoAnyone know what they mean by a lower carbohydrate diet? Maybe I just missed it but I couldn't find any details on that in the paper. Americans tend to take things to extreme, so if you tell an American diabetic that a low carb diet might put them in remission there is a good chance they will take that to mean no carbs or very low carbs that is a lot of work to follow. Most won't be able to stick to it. My personal anecdote is that my T2D went into remission when I changed my diet so that less than 40% of my calories came from carbs. I didn't actually try to lower the amount of carbs, just what percent of calories came from carbs. If calories stayed the same that would also lower the amount, but I didn't actually try to keep calories the same. For example if I wanted a sandwich that would have been 50% calories from carbs they way I would have ordered it before, I would order it with double meat or with regular mayo instead of light mayo. Those changes would increase the calories without changing the amount of carbs, which would lower the percentage of calories from carbs. It turned out with the percentage of carbs lowered the food seemed to satisfy me more, and so I ended up naturally snacking less or eating smaller portions. The result of that was that I did end up reducing calories and so my carb amount, not just my carb percentage, did go down. That was 9 years and I've had no trouble keeping to the 40% of calories from carbs goal ever since. BTW, the reason I picked 40% is that it is trivial to calculate from the information on the nutrition label. Take the calories on the nutrition label and multiply by 1/10 g carb/calorie and that is the number of grams of carbs that would result in 40% of the calories coming from carbs. For example a couple days ago I had a sausage/egg/cheese/english muffin breakfast sandwich that was 380 calories, 24 g carbs, and a bowl of cereal that (with milk) was 350 calories, 51 g of carb. So for that breakfast sandwich the 40% point would be 38 g of carbs. It only had 24 g so was under by 14 g. The milk and cereal at 51 g was over its 35 g 40% point by 16 g. That means overall my breakfast was over the 40% point by 2 g. It's easy to keep a running total throughout the day of how many grams of carbs I'm over or under and make adjustments on later meals if I need to bring it down a bit. 20% calories from carbs would be almost as easy if it turns out 40% is too high to work for someone. Just divide calories by 20 instead of 10, or divide by 10 and then divide by 2.
- mfer 2y agoI've heard the people behind Mastering Diabetes [1] talk about diabetes in general. The authors of the book are diabetics with advanced degrees they put into this topic. I've known diabetics who changed their diet and no longer had type 2 diabetes after awhile. They did this from a medical program designed to treat it. This was fascinating to learn about ways of handling diabetes that was more than drugs. [1] https://www.masteringdiabetes.org/book/ https://www.masteringdiabetes.org/book/
- PaulHoule 2y agoI’ve always been trying to reframe that marshmallow experiment as “the kid who wanted fewer marshmallows or none at all became a skinny adult”
- winddude 2y agothis is for type 2 diabetes, a VERY IMPORT distinction. So it probably just effects eating habits. <https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/oct/31/less-sugar-in-first-1000-days-of-life-protects-against-chronic-disease-study-finds https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/oct/31/less-sugar-i...
- Eumenes 2y ago> But there could be room for cutting back: in the United States, pregnant and lactating people What is "lactating people"?
- simonsarris 2y agothey mean "pregnant and nursing women"
- OptionOfT 2y agoAnd at the same time more insurances are pulling back coverage on GLP-1 for weight loss before actually getting diabetes. Which is weird, because once you get diabetes, the cost is even more than the cost of GLP-1 as a preventative measure.
- rustcleaner 2y agoBecause healthcare and health insurance isn't about creating more health and reducing sickness. Remember, we instantiated a healthcare system and industry in an environment and structure which rewards investment, capital growth, and rent-seeking. It's the same conflict of interest dating apps have with their customers. Remember, you are on a human farm and all of this is a system of getting you to do something to get satisfaction or survive, and that your EV is [even just a little] negative so that the aggregate of your life actions, and the aggregate of all your neighbors' life actions, generally produces a positive EV for the administrative class (cream to skim). The healthcare system can easily settle to a local Nash that increases revenue at the expense of our original goals.
- kpozin 2y agoSource: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adn5421 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adn5421
- aredox 2y agoIf that risk is "soaring", one wonders why nobody talks about COVID's effect: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2801415?utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_term=021423 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...