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How many people does this actually affect? Gamers are better off with AMD X3D chips, and most productivity workloads need good multicore performance. Obviously

How many people does this actually affect? Gamers are better off with AMD X3D chips, and most productivity workloads need good multicore performance. Obviously MR is great silicon and I don't want to downplay that, but I'm not sure that best singlecore performance is an overly useful metric for the people who need performance.

smith7018 2y ago
It affects the millions of people that buy the machine by way of longevity.
- Salgat 2y ago
  Usually when I see advances, it's less about future proofing and more about obsoletion of old hardware. A more exaggerated case of this was in the 90s, people would upgrade to a 200 MHz p1 thinking they were future proofing but in a couple years you had 500Mhz P2s.
HumblyTossed 2y ago
People who browse the web and want that fastest javascript performance they can get.
- nicce 2y ago
  Or users of Slack, Spotify, Teams.. you name it. But I don't want to make an excuse that Electron-like frameworks should be encouraged to be used even more if we have super single core computers available.
  - MBCook 2y ago
    Even if we ignore them, most tasks people do on a computer end up being heavily influenced by single threaded performance. Amdahl's law is still in control. For a great mini users single threaded performance is extremely important.
- nottorp 2y ago
  But for a javascript (browser or electron) workload the new 16 Gb as the starting ram still isn't enough :)
iJohnDoe 2y ago
Based on my limited knowledge. Most applications aren’t great at using all cores, so single-core performance is really important most of the time.
- MBCook 2y ago
  Yep. And even if they can use multiple threads, faster single threaded performance means each of those multiple threads gets done faster. There’s a reason consumer CPUs aren’t slower with 1024 cores instead.
nottorp 2y ago
> Gamers are better off with AMD X3D chips Yeah but then you'd have to use Windows. I'd rather just play whatever games can be emulated and take the performance penalty. It helps that most AAAs put me to sleep...
- layer8 2y ago
  The problem with the M chips is that you have to use macOS (or tinker with Asahi two generations behind). They are great hardware, but just not an option at all for me for that reason.
- LorenDB 2y ago
  There's nothing stopping you from using Linux.
- hu3 2y ago
  > Yeah but then you'd have to use Windows. Why? Linux gaming has been great since Wine. Even better now with Valve investment. Surely leagues better than gaming with macOS.
  - nottorp 2y ago
    Sir, you are not a real gamer(tm) either. Use a puny alternative OS and lose 3 fps, Valve support or not? Unacceptable! As for Linux, I abandoned it as the main GUI OS for Macs about 10 years ago. I have linux and windows boxes but the only ones with displays/keyboards are the macs and it will stay that way.
    - hu3 2y ago
      I have all 3 OSs each on their own hardware:) 4 if you count steamdeck. I do the real gaming, not some subpar emulated crap or anemic macOS steam library.
    - yxhuvud 2y ago
      It is definitely not a given you lose FPS on Linux. It is not uncommon for games to give better FPS on Linux. It will all end up depending on the exact games you want to play.
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jwr 2y ago
Single core performance is what I need as a developer for quick compilation or updates of Javascript in the browser, when working on a Clojure/ClojureScript app. This affects me a lot.

smith7018 2y ago

It affects the millions of people that buy the machine by way of longevity.

Salgat 2y ago
Usually when I see advances, it's less about future proofing and more about obsoletion of old hardware. A more exaggerated case of this was in the 90s, people would upgrade to a 200 MHz p1 thinking they were future proofing but in a couple years you had 500Mhz P2s.

HumblyTossed 2y ago

People who browse the web and want that fastest javascript performance they can get.

nicce 2y ago
Or users of Slack, Spotify, Teams.. you name it. But I don't want to make an excuse that Electron-like frameworks should be encouraged to be used even more if we have super single core computers available.
- MBCook 2y ago
  Even if we ignore them, most tasks people do on a computer end up being heavily influenced by single threaded performance. Amdahl's law is still in control. For a great mini users single threaded performance is extremely important.
nottorp 2y ago
But for a javascript (browser or electron) workload the new 16 Gb as the starting ram still isn't enough :)

iJohnDoe 2y ago

Based on my limited knowledge. Most applications aren’t great at using all cores, so single-core performance is really important most of the time.

MBCook 2y ago
Yep. And even if they can use multiple threads, faster single threaded performance means each of those multiple threads gets done faster. There’s a reason consumer CPUs aren’t slower with 1024 cores instead.

nottorp 2y ago

> Gamers are better off with AMD X3D chips Yeah but then you'd have to use Windows. I'd rather just play whatever games can be emulated and take the performance penalty. It helps that most AAAs put me to sleep...

layer8 2y ago
The problem with the M chips is that you have to use macOS (or tinker with Asahi two generations behind). They are great hardware, but just not an option at all for me for that reason.
LorenDB 2y ago
There's nothing stopping you from using Linux.
hu3 2y ago
> Yeah but then you'd have to use Windows. Why? Linux gaming has been great since Wine. Even better now with Valve investment. Surely leagues better than gaming with macOS.
- nottorp 2y ago
  Sir, you are not a real gamer(tm) either. Use a puny alternative OS and lose 3 fps, Valve support or not? Unacceptable! As for Linux, I abandoned it as the main GUI OS for Macs about 10 years ago. I have linux and windows boxes but the only ones with displays/keyboards are the macs and it will stay that way.
  - hu3 2y ago
    I have all 3 OSs each on their own hardware:) 4 if you count steamdeck. I do the real gaming, not some subpar emulated crap or anemic macOS steam library.
  - yxhuvud 2y ago
    It is definitely not a given you lose FPS on Linux. It is not uncommon for games to give better FPS on Linux. It will all end up depending on the exact games you want to play.

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jwr 2y ago

Single core performance is what I need as a developer for quick compilation or updates of Javascript in the browser, when working on a Clojure/ClojureScript app. This affects me a lot.