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Im sorry, but calling out to C libraries — regardless of the language — is cheating. Just because everyone in the competition is on steroids doesn’t mean you go

by vips7L 2y ago

Im sorry, but calling out to C libraries — regardless of the language — is cheating. Just because everyone in the competition is on steroids doesn’t mean you got there legitimately.

neonsunset 2y ago
This is a strange reply given that sibling comment points out it's only 2 out of 10 benchmarks where this is allowed because all languages end up calling out to the same libraries. Even if you prohibit PCRE2, the .NET submissions using out-of-box Regex engine end up being about 4 times faster than Java. Surprisingly, even though .NET's BigInteger is known for its inefficiency, it ends up being more memory efficient and marginally faster at pidigits than a Java submission that does not use GMP. The implementations are not line-by-line equivalent so may not be perfectly representative of performance of each BigInt implementation. My point being - if you look at the submissions closer, the data gives much clearer picture and only supports the argument that C# is a very usable language for solving the tasks one would usually reach for C, C++ or Rust instead.
- vips7L 2y ago
  Its not a strange reply at all. _All_ of those languages are cheating. Those benchmarks are junk because they don't test implementations in the language.
  - igouy 2y ago
    https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/program/nbody-java-1.html https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/... Sure looks like it's written in Java!
igouy 2y ago
https://www.wilfred.me.uk/blog/2014/10/20/the-fastest-bigint-in-the-west/ https://www.wilfred.me.uk/blog/2014/10/20/the-fastest-bigint... Look at all the programming language implementations that provide big integers by calling out to GMP. Why would it be "cheating" when available to all and done openly? Libraries matter.

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Im sorry, but calling out to C libraries — regardless of the language — is cheating. Just because everyone in the competition is on steroids doesn’t mean you go

by vips7L 2y ago

Im sorry, but calling out to C libraries — regardless of the language — is cheating. Just because everyone in the competition is on steroids doesn’t mean you got there legitimately.

neonsunset 2y ago
This is a strange reply given that sibling comment points out it's only 2 out of 10 benchmarks where this is allowed because all languages end up calling out to the same libraries. Even if you prohibit PCRE2, the .NET submissions using out-of-box Regex engine end up being about 4 times faster than Java. Surprisingly, even though .NET's BigInteger is known for its inefficiency, it ends up being more memory efficient and marginally faster at pidigits than a Java submission that does not use GMP. The implementations are not line-by-line equivalent so may not be perfectly representative of performance of each BigInt implementation. My point being - if you look at the submissions closer, the data gives much clearer picture and only supports the argument that C# is a very usable language for solving the tasks one would usually reach for C, C++ or Rust instead.
- vips7L 2y ago
  Its not a strange reply at all. _All_ of those languages are cheating. Those benchmarks are junk because they don't test implementations in the language.
  - igouy 2y ago
    https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/program/nbody-java-1.html https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/... Sure looks like it's written in Java!
igouy 2y ago
https://www.wilfred.me.uk/blog/2014/10/20/the-fastest-bigint-in-the-west/ https://www.wilfred.me.uk/blog/2014/10/20/the-fastest-bigint... Look at all the programming language implementations that provide big integers by calling out to GMP. Why would it be "cheating" when available to all and done openly? Libraries matter.