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> in practice I’m not noticing a productivity boost. How can this be possible if you literally admit its tab completion is mindblowing? Isn't really good tab

> in practice I’m not noticing a productivity boost. How can this be possible if you literally admit its tab completion is mindblowing? Isn't really good tab completion good enough for at least a 5% producitvity boost? 10%? 20%? Select line of code, prompt it to refactor, verify they are good, accept the changes

m3kw9 2y ago
In experience, I always have to spend time to check and most times it doesn’t do what I need unless it’s very simple asks.
thih9 2y ago
> How can this be possible if you literally admit its tab completion is mindblowing? What about it makes it impossible? I’m impressed by what AI assistants can do - and in practice it doesn’t help me personally. > Select line of code, prompt it to refactor, verify they are good, accept the changes. It’s the “verify” part that I find tricky. Do it too fast and you spend more time debugging than you originally gained. Do it too slow and you don’t gain much time. There is a whole category of bugs that I’m unlikely to write myself but I’m likely to overlook when reading code. Mixing up variable types, mixing up variables with similar names, misusing functions I’m unfamiliar with and more.
- beepbooptheory 2y ago
  I think the essential point around impressive vs helpful sums up so much of the discourse around this stuff. Its all just where you fall on the line between "impressive is necessarily good" and "no it isn't".
- throttlebody 2y ago
  How does AI learn from it's mistakes ? Genuine question as i have only briefly used ChatGpt and found it interesting but not usefull.
bigstrat2003 2y ago
> How can this be possible if you literally admit its tab completion is mindblowing? If I had a knife of perfect sharpness which never dulled, that would be mind-blowing. It also would very likely not make me a better cook.
- goosejuice 2y ago
  Having a sharp knife will make you far more efficient if you know how to use it in the first place and sharpening knives takes time away from doing the cooking. This is kind of a wonky analogy though.
kortilla 2y ago
If someone can eat 20 golf balls that’s impressive but it doesn’t improve my golf game
- hackable_sand 2y ago
  That is actually very impressive.
bradford 2y ago
> How can this be possible if you literally admit its tab completion is mindblowing? I might suggest that coding doesn't take as much of our time as we might think it does. Hypothetically: Suppose coding takes 20% of your total clock time. If you improve your coding efficiency by 10%, you've only improved your total job efficiency by 2%. This is great, but probably not the mind-blowing gain that's hyped by the AI boom. (I used 20% as a sample here, but it's not far away from my anecdotal experience, where so much of my time is spent in spec gathering, communication, meeting security/compliance standards, etc).
- MuffinFlavored 2y ago
  > that's hyped by the AI boom I always personally thought the AI boom was more about 'what can be done automation/improvement wise for non-tech industries'

m3kw9 2y ago

In experience, I always have to spend time to check and most times it doesn’t do what I need unless it’s very simple asks.

thih9 2y ago

> How can this be possible if you literally admit its tab completion is mindblowing? What about it makes it impossible? I’m impressed by what AI assistants can do - and in practice it doesn’t help me personally. > Select line of code, prompt it to refactor, verify they are good, accept the changes. It’s the “verify” part that I find tricky. Do it too fast and you spend more time debugging than you originally gained. Do it too slow and you don’t gain much time. There is a whole category of bugs that I’m unlikely to write myself but I’m likely to overlook when reading code. Mixing up variable types, mixing up variables with similar names, misusing functions I’m unfamiliar with and more.

beepbooptheory 2y ago
I think the essential point around impressive vs helpful sums up so much of the discourse around this stuff. Its all just where you fall on the line between "impressive is necessarily good" and "no it isn't".
throttlebody 2y ago
How does AI learn from it's mistakes ? Genuine question as i have only briefly used ChatGpt and found it interesting but not usefull.

bigstrat2003 2y ago

> How can this be possible if you literally admit its tab completion is mindblowing? If I had a knife of perfect sharpness which never dulled, that would be mind-blowing. It also would very likely not make me a better cook.

goosejuice 2y ago
Having a sharp knife will make you far more efficient if you know how to use it in the first place and sharpening knives takes time away from doing the cooking. This is kind of a wonky analogy though.

kortilla 2y ago

If someone can eat 20 golf balls that’s impressive but it doesn’t improve my golf game

hackable_sand 2y ago
That is actually very impressive.

bradford 2y ago

> How can this be possible if you literally admit its tab completion is mindblowing? I might suggest that coding doesn't take as much of our time as we might think it does. Hypothetically: Suppose coding takes 20% of your total clock time. If you improve your coding efficiency by 10%, you've only improved your total job efficiency by 2%. This is great, but probably not the mind-blowing gain that's hyped by the AI boom. (I used 20% as a sample here, but it's not far away from my anecdotal experience, where so much of my time is spent in spec gathering, communication, meeting security/compliance standards, etc).

MuffinFlavored 2y ago
> that's hyped by the AI boom I always personally thought the AI boom was more about 'what can be done automation/improvement wise for non-tech industries'