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I love this blog post. “It can display seven equally spaced vertical columns of text (critical importance), has driver issues (minimal importance), wake issues

I love this blog post. “It can display seven equally spaced vertical columns of text (critical importance), has driver issues (minimal importance), wake issues (who cares), it costs as much as four smaller monitors (this is good), I need a huge desk (hell yeah), there are multiple image quality issues (well it’s not like I have to look at it all day)…” It is like “I spent fifteen hundred dollars on a multitude of hassles due to purchasing the wrong type of display, but due to the lack of bezel this is a prime efficiency move “

dingnuts 2y ago
yeah but I kind of get it..
- jrflowers 2y ago
  Absolutely. I remember watching Swordfish and wanting Stanley’s setup
throwaway48476 2y ago
Once you no longer see pixels you'll never want to go back.
- stephenr 2y ago
  I think you'd have to sit further back than is otherwise natural (and then have the issue of legibility/lost workspace) to achieve "can't see the pixels" on this. Sure it's 8K but it's 65", it's only got a PPI of 135. For comparison Apple (computer) displays and a handful of third parties that target Mac use are generally 200-220 PPI. That is can't see the pixels density, even if you smash your face against it.
  - throwaway48476 2y ago
    I have a 55" 8K and I can't see the pixels while sitting 2ft away. Everything is crisp and I have a huge workspace. For mac I use 4k native so 2x integer scaling.
  - necovek 2y ago
    220 ppi output with no subpixel rendering (ie modern Macs) has clearly visible jagged edges in angled lines and letters if you've got good vision or correct your vision to better than 20/20 (my case: I get headaches if I don't). If you are coming from typesetting world, laser printers from the early 1990s did 600dpi (dots per inch), and that remains sufficient for smooth lines, though newer printers will do 1200dpi too. Going down to 300dpi printouts is crap. Heck, newer Kindles do 300ppi and that can clearly be improved. Apple's "retina", like all things in life, does work for 90% of the human population as advertised, but there's still a big number of people who have better angular resolution than what they target.
    - stephenr 2y ago
      There's always "better" of course, but my point was more that "can't see the pixels" doesn't usually mean "I can't see the pixels if I sit back from the display a bit". When the iPhone 4 was introduced, no one said "what's the difference, I can just hold my (other phone) away from my face further and I don't see the pixels!" Can you reference an example that shows this phenomenon with angled lines? I haven't had an eye test specifically, but my vision is generally fine, and I don't see the effect you're referring to, on for example a lower-case "y".
- Toutouxc 2y ago
  I went back from using different displays in HiDPI to using a single 43” 4K screen set to 100 % scaling. Screen estate trumps invisible pixels [for me, at the moment].
- bluGill 2y ago
  I'd give a lot to go back to my 20 year old eyes that could see pixels without special glasses. Sure I can't see pixels (well maybe I still could on an janky third party CGA monitor from 1983), but it isn't worth it. (I'd say save your eyesight, but realistically I'm not aware of anything you can do to keep it past about 45)
- recursive 2y ago
  I've used both. I quite honestly don't care. I've heard many people that share your sentiment. But some of us just don't. Visible pixels are totally fine for me.
- esafak 2y ago
  Don't you long for the warm glow of CRT phosphors??
  - throwaway48476 2y ago
    Not at all. CRTs are terrible in every way. What I'd like is uLED displays to maximize contrast and minimize lumens.
porphyra 2y ago
> Multiple image quality issues Only the first one (dirty screen) is a real issue, but it is subtle and irrelevant to programming; the second one (checkerboard), as the post explains, is solved by toggling an option in settings. > Driver issues The post explains that it works perfectly with current NVidia drivers on Linux, and on Windows both AMD and NVidia on Windows have had driver support for HDMI 2.1 for years.
dylan604 2y ago
I didn't see any mention of how many times he has to pick up his mouse when it gets to the edge of the pad to get the mouse from one edge of the screen to the other.
- bravoetch 2y ago
  With all that text, I'm hoping their religion is keyboard shortcuts.
  - shric 2y ago
    i3/sway was recommended in the post, so yes.
- bee_rider 2y ago
  Maybe they use a marble mouse or something like that.
- dllu 2y ago
  Author here: I use a Logitech G Pro X Superlight but also I use the i3 window manager and rely on keyboard shortcuts for a lot of the navigation. I have the mouse sensitivity set so that the cursor can traverse the width of the screen when moving the mouse about 13 cm, without any acceleration. This is still precise enough that I can move the mouse pixel by pixel if needed.
- LargoLasskhyfv 2y ago
  Who needs a pad? And who needs the mouse to move more than 2 to 3 cm max, with dynamic acceleration? I'm just doin' 0.5cm twitches most of the times.
- satvikpendem 2y ago
  That's easily solved with mouse sensitivity settings, it doesn't matter the size of the screen if you set it properly.
- AtlasBarfed 2y ago
  I find it annoying that they've kind of got rid of mouse, tails and other easy ways of finding the mice pointer. That's one of the main drawbacks of a massive screen is if you lose the pointer it takes a lot longer to find it. It's not a linear scale based on the width of the monitor. It's with the square. So 50-in monitor is going to be about four times longer to find a mouse pointer than a 30-in one. I don't like those hotkeys where you know it highlights it. I like the the mouse tail. That's the one that I can most easily find it. But generally those came out of fashion about 15 years ago
chankstein38 2y ago
I chuckled at "The 8K display is only $1500 at BestBuy!" the "only" lol I spent $400 on my projector that I use for my main screen and it works great. But when I did that I had previously only bought $200 projectors. So even that was not an "only" for me.
- dakiol 2y ago
  May I ask what projector? I’m thinking about getting one as well
  - chankstein38 2y ago
    Sorry, this recommendation will probably disappoint, it's from Walmart. It's a Vankyo Performance V700W. I can't necessarily recommend it. I have a problem with over-shopping for things, such as spending too much of my life researching and frustrated before either never buying, buying above budget, or just impulse buying making the research time wasted. So, if I can instead work with something I can drive to Walmart and spend $300-400 on, I am happy. It's been fine but it's nothing special. Does the job and the picture is pretty clear when focused properly. It's bright enough and has good color and picture quality for my purposes. It's 100" on my wall across the room from my couch so we use it a lot for gaming and watching videos. For programming stuff it works but can't optimize for space in the IDE by bumping font size down like I would with high DPI monitors. I'm also on my second one as the first was left on constantly and started to develop dark spots. They were kind of fun to watch as they'd start really bright and then fade but obviously only in hindsight because it made the screen hard to see. The last time I bought it, the price was dropped I think it was <$200. I have had it for about a year and turn it off when I'm not using it and it's holding up a lot better!
- guerrilla 2y ago
  Is it a dumb projector?
  - chankstein38 2y ago
    It is and not very high quality. Sorry I didn't mean to recommend everyone get a projector here or pump projectors. I just enjoy my setup and it was relatively cheap! It will do screen mirroring though. It has 2 inputs and I use those directly and it doesn't offer apps or anything from what I've seen.
dllu 2y ago
I actually spent $3500 on mine haha, back in 2021. Early adopter tax...
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outworlder 2y ago
The example he's chosen is of a ridiculously sized TV. 65" is living room TV size. There are smaller, OLED displays that would be more suitable(while still rather big). Many are 'just' 4k, but the smaller sizes should give one a decent pixel size.

dingnuts 2y ago

yeah but I kind of get it..

jrflowers 2y ago
Absolutely. I remember watching Swordfish and wanting Stanley’s setup

throwaway48476 2y ago

Once you no longer see pixels you'll never want to go back.

stephenr 2y ago
I think you'd have to sit further back than is otherwise natural (and then have the issue of legibility/lost workspace) to achieve "can't see the pixels" on this. Sure it's 8K but it's 65", it's only got a PPI of 135. For comparison Apple (computer) displays and a handful of third parties that target Mac use are generally 200-220 PPI. That is can't see the pixels density, even if you smash your face against it.
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  I have a 55" 8K and I can't see the pixels while sitting 2ft away. Everything is crisp and I have a huge workspace. For mac I use 4k native so 2x integer scaling.
- necovek 2y ago
  220 ppi output with no subpixel rendering (ie modern Macs) has clearly visible jagged edges in angled lines and letters if you've got good vision or correct your vision to better than 20/20 (my case: I get headaches if I don't). If you are coming from typesetting world, laser printers from the early 1990s did 600dpi (dots per inch), and that remains sufficient for smooth lines, though newer printers will do 1200dpi too. Going down to 300dpi printouts is crap. Heck, newer Kindles do 300ppi and that can clearly be improved. Apple's "retina", like all things in life, does work for 90% of the human population as advertised, but there's still a big number of people who have better angular resolution than what they target.
  - stephenr 2y ago
    There's always "better" of course, but my point was more that "can't see the pixels" doesn't usually mean "I can't see the pixels if I sit back from the display a bit". When the iPhone 4 was introduced, no one said "what's the difference, I can just hold my (other phone) away from my face further and I don't see the pixels!" Can you reference an example that shows this phenomenon with angled lines? I haven't had an eye test specifically, but my vision is generally fine, and I don't see the effect you're referring to, on for example a lower-case "y".
Toutouxc 2y ago
I went back from using different displays in HiDPI to using a single 43” 4K screen set to 100 % scaling. Screen estate trumps invisible pixels [for me, at the moment].
bluGill 2y ago
I'd give a lot to go back to my 20 year old eyes that could see pixels without special glasses. Sure I can't see pixels (well maybe I still could on an janky third party CGA monitor from 1983), but it isn't worth it. (I'd say save your eyesight, but realistically I'm not aware of anything you can do to keep it past about 45)
recursive 2y ago
I've used both. I quite honestly don't care. I've heard many people that share your sentiment. But some of us just don't. Visible pixels are totally fine for me.
esafak 2y ago
Don't you long for the warm glow of CRT phosphors??
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  Not at all. CRTs are terrible in every way. What I'd like is uLED displays to maximize contrast and minimize lumens.

porphyra 2y ago

> Multiple image quality issues Only the first one (dirty screen) is a real issue, but it is subtle and irrelevant to programming; the second one (checkerboard), as the post explains, is solved by toggling an option in settings. > Driver issues The post explains that it works perfectly with current NVidia drivers on Linux, and on Windows both AMD and NVidia on Windows have had driver support for HDMI 2.1 for years.

dylan604 2y ago

I didn't see any mention of how many times he has to pick up his mouse when it gets to the edge of the pad to get the mouse from one edge of the screen to the other.

bravoetch 2y ago
With all that text, I'm hoping their religion is keyboard shortcuts.
- shric 2y ago
  i3/sway was recommended in the post, so yes.
bee_rider 2y ago
Maybe they use a marble mouse or something like that.
dllu 2y ago
Author here: I use a Logitech G Pro X Superlight but also I use the i3 window manager and rely on keyboard shortcuts for a lot of the navigation. I have the mouse sensitivity set so that the cursor can traverse the width of the screen when moving the mouse about 13 cm, without any acceleration. This is still precise enough that I can move the mouse pixel by pixel if needed.
LargoLasskhyfv 2y ago
Who needs a pad? And who needs the mouse to move more than 2 to 3 cm max, with dynamic acceleration? I'm just doin' 0.5cm twitches most of the times.
satvikpendem 2y ago
That's easily solved with mouse sensitivity settings, it doesn't matter the size of the screen if you set it properly.
AtlasBarfed 2y ago
I find it annoying that they've kind of got rid of mouse, tails and other easy ways of finding the mice pointer. That's one of the main drawbacks of a massive screen is if you lose the pointer it takes a lot longer to find it. It's not a linear scale based on the width of the monitor. It's with the square. So 50-in monitor is going to be about four times longer to find a mouse pointer than a 30-in one. I don't like those hotkeys where you know it highlights it. I like the the mouse tail. That's the one that I can most easily find it. But generally those came out of fashion about 15 years ago

chankstein38 2y ago

I chuckled at "The 8K display is only $1500 at BestBuy!" the "only" lol I spent $400 on my projector that I use for my main screen and it works great. But when I did that I had previously only bought $200 projectors. So even that was not an "only" for me.

dakiol 2y ago
May I ask what projector? I’m thinking about getting one as well
- chankstein38 2y ago
  Sorry, this recommendation will probably disappoint, it's from Walmart. It's a Vankyo Performance V700W. I can't necessarily recommend it. I have a problem with over-shopping for things, such as spending too much of my life researching and frustrated before either never buying, buying above budget, or just impulse buying making the research time wasted. So, if I can instead work with something I can drive to Walmart and spend $300-400 on, I am happy. It's been fine but it's nothing special. Does the job and the picture is pretty clear when focused properly. It's bright enough and has good color and picture quality for my purposes. It's 100" on my wall across the room from my couch so we use it a lot for gaming and watching videos. For programming stuff it works but can't optimize for space in the IDE by bumping font size down like I would with high DPI monitors. I'm also on my second one as the first was left on constantly and started to develop dark spots. They were kind of fun to watch as they'd start really bright and then fade but obviously only in hindsight because it made the screen hard to see. The last time I bought it, the price was dropped I think it was <$200. I have had it for about a year and turn it off when I'm not using it and it's holding up a lot better!
guerrilla 2y ago
Is it a dumb projector?
- chankstein38 2y ago
  It is and not very high quality. Sorry I didn't mean to recommend everyone get a projector here or pump projectors. I just enjoy my setup and it was relatively cheap! It will do screen mirroring though. It has 2 inputs and I use those directly and it doesn't offer apps or anything from what I've seen.

dllu 2y ago

I actually spent $3500 on mine haha, back in 2021. Early adopter tax...

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outworlder 2y ago

The example he's chosen is of a ridiculously sized TV. 65" is living room TV size. There are smaller, OLED displays that would be more suitable(while still rather big). Many are 'just' 4k, but the smaller sizes should give one a decent pixel size.