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I think it's great that Apple was able to ship devices that millions of people made happy use of without needing to put additional hardware resources into them.

I think it's great that Apple was able to ship devices that millions of people made happy use of without needing to put additional hardware resources into them. That's efficiency, not greed.

yunohn 2y ago
I own almost every Apple ecosystem device, but I definitely wouldn’t call their mobile device RAM capacity as sufficient. It physically hurts me when my iPad Pro M2 and iPhone 16 Pro Max (earlier 15,14,13,12,11) start to swap out live apps - sure some apps retain state, but the majority still don’t. Even Safari randomly reloads tabs for me, while I’m just researching purchases across <10 live tabs.
- mostlysimilar 2y ago
  That's fair, it sounds like you've got a real problem. I'd be surprised of the majority of users experience that problem though.
  - seec 2y ago
    No, they do. They just don't understand enough about technology/computing to know what's going on or they don't care (or at least pretend to, because they don't have any other experience). It's really crazy that some android phones at half the price give a better browsing experience than many iPhones, especially the non "Pro" ones.
    - fennecbutt 2y ago
      Yeah on my S24U rn I have 8 or so apps open, 100 or so tabs in ff (enough that it just shows an infinity symbol rather than number of tabs). That's with 12GB memory. Tbf it seems to be browsers that kill memory on any platform. The Web is now just mobile breakpoints that load needlessly high res images.
      - seec 2y ago
        Well that's not a cheap phone but yes if you are going high-end, it's probably a better experience than a comparatively priced iPhone. Of course, the browsers are problematic for memory but that's not new and hilariously the first iPhone was supposed to work only with web apps. It's not like if they couldn't spend a few dollars more on their expensive premium hardware to guarantee a good experience for all use cases. This is the big problem with Apple today, the milking at every single step, the stupid pricing ladder and scrooge attitude is extremely distasteful and completely unreasonable for the price asked.

I think it's great that Apple was able to ship devices that millions of people made happy use of without needing to put additional hardware resources into them. That's efficiency, not greed.

yunohn 2y ago

I own almost every Apple ecosystem device, but I definitely wouldn’t call their mobile device RAM capacity as sufficient. It physically hurts me when my iPad Pro M2 and iPhone 16 Pro Max (earlier 15,14,13,12,11) start to swap out live apps - sure some apps retain state, but the majority still don’t. Even Safari randomly reloads tabs for me, while I’m just researching purchases across <10 live tabs.

mostlysimilar 2y ago
That's fair, it sounds like you've got a real problem. I'd be surprised of the majority of users experience that problem though.
- seec 2y ago
  No, they do. They just don't understand enough about technology/computing to know what's going on or they don't care (or at least pretend to, because they don't have any other experience). It's really crazy that some android phones at half the price give a better browsing experience than many iPhones, especially the non "Pro" ones.
  - fennecbutt 2y ago
    Yeah on my S24U rn I have 8 or so apps open, 100 or so tabs in ff (enough that it just shows an infinity symbol rather than number of tabs). That's with 12GB memory. Tbf it seems to be browsers that kill memory on any platform. The Web is now just mobile breakpoints that load needlessly high res images.
    - seec 2y ago
      Well that's not a cheap phone but yes if you are going high-end, it's probably a better experience than a comparatively priced iPhone. Of course, the browsers are problematic for memory but that's not new and hilariously the first iPhone was supposed to work only with web apps. It's not like if they couldn't spend a few dollars more on their expensive premium hardware to guarantee a good experience for all use cases. This is the big problem with Apple today, the milking at every single step, the stupid pricing ladder and scrooge attitude is extremely distasteful and completely unreasonable for the price asked.