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Is this available as a pdf? Or just yet another online subscription if you want to search it quickly? Part of the reason I never bothered with the 17th Edition

Is this available as a pdf? Or just yet another online subscription if you want to search it quickly? Part of the reason I never bothered with the 17th Edition was that I couldn't find a searchable pdf version (I last tried looking for one years ago though). That and they deprecated the use of ibid, which made me sad.

mistrial9 2y ago
does this mean "is this available as a pdf for no money and copyable?" The book publishing industry is unrecognizable economically from what it was 25 years ago. Many people here have no idea, dont care and maybe worse. It is important to note that the book publishing industry also had its own excesses, some warranted and many not. A staple of publishing like this Chicago Manual of Style was used and abused to generate excess profits no doubt about it. The college textbook industry was (and still is) an eggregious offender for economic dark patterns. All said, a no-cost PDF of this book is not the answer in the long term IMHO, economics and all considered. (USA here)
- garciansmith 2y ago
  I'll gladly pay for a copy. Pretty much everything I write uses the Chicago style (I'm a historian), I just want something easily searchable and still usable without an internet connection. I love buying physical books, and could get one of the 18th edition, but for reference material like this it's much quicker to search a digital copy, especially since I know all the basics of the style and it's the more obscure edge cases I'll need to find.
simlevesque 2y ago
https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/dam/jcr:bba47b07-61ba-41c3-8c79-33c005c1f56d/CMSfacsimile_all.pdf https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/dam/jcr:bba47b07-61ba-4... Seems like it's this one.
- mistrial9 2y ago
  .. the one from 1906
  - AdamN 2y ago
    We believe in the old gods and we only read the eleventh edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica as well.
- everybodyknows 2y ago
  Linked PDF says Copyright 1906, and I see no edition number -- apparently the first.
  - everybodyknows 2y ago
    The editors's assumed readership is authors preparing for reproduction with full access to capabilities of a printing press: > 75. SET IN SMALLER TYPE. Ordinarily, all prose extracts which will make three or more lines in the smaller type, and all poetry citations of two lines or more. An isolated prose quotation, even though its length would bring it under this rule, may properly be run into the text, if it bears an organic relation to the argument pre- sented. On the other hand, a quotation of one or two lines which is closely preceded or followed by longer extracts, set in smaller type, may likewise be reduced, as a matter of uniform appearance This although the mimeograph (for copying pages from a typewriter) was already in use: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimeograph https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimeograph
- garciansmith 2y ago
  I guess I should have specified a pdf of the 18th edition!
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nemomarx 2y ago
The article does mention this link: https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/dam/jcr:bba47b07-61ba-41c3-8c79-33c005c1f56d/CMSfacsimile_all.pdf https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/dam/jcr:bba47b07-61ba-4... as a "fascimile" edition that's free.
- antiframe 2y ago
  Is the CMS from 1906 still useful today? I don't know who proportion of stylistic mores have changed since then.

mistrial9 2y ago

does this mean "is this available as a pdf for no money and copyable?" The book publishing industry is unrecognizable economically from what it was 25 years ago. Many people here have no idea, dont care and maybe worse. It is important to note that the book publishing industry also had its own excesses, some warranted and many not. A staple of publishing like this Chicago Manual of Style was used and abused to generate excess profits no doubt about it. The college textbook industry was (and still is) an eggregious offender for economic dark patterns. All said, a no-cost PDF of this book is not the answer in the long term IMHO, economics and all considered. (USA here)

garciansmith 2y ago
I'll gladly pay for a copy. Pretty much everything I write uses the Chicago style (I'm a historian), I just want something easily searchable and still usable without an internet connection. I love buying physical books, and could get one of the 18th edition, but for reference material like this it's much quicker to search a digital copy, especially since I know all the basics of the style and it's the more obscure edge cases I'll need to find.

simlevesque 2y ago

https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/dam/jcr:bba47b07-61ba-41c3-8c79-33c005c1f56d/CMSfacsimile_all.pdf https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/dam/jcr:bba47b07-61ba-4... Seems like it's this one.

mistrial9 2y ago
.. the one from 1906
- AdamN 2y ago
  We believe in the old gods and we only read the eleventh edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica as well.
everybodyknows 2y ago
Linked PDF says Copyright 1906, and I see no edition number -- apparently the first.
- everybodyknows 2y ago
  The editors's assumed readership is authors preparing for reproduction with full access to capabilities of a printing press: > 75. SET IN SMALLER TYPE. Ordinarily, all prose extracts which will make three or more lines in the smaller type, and all poetry citations of two lines or more. An isolated prose quotation, even though its length would bring it under this rule, may properly be run into the text, if it bears an organic relation to the argument pre- sented. On the other hand, a quotation of one or two lines which is closely preceded or followed by longer extracts, set in smaller type, may likewise be reduced, as a matter of uniform appearance This although the mimeograph (for copying pages from a typewriter) was already in use: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimeograph https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimeograph
garciansmith 2y ago
I guess I should have specified a pdf of the 18th edition!

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nemomarx 2y ago

The article does mention this link: https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/dam/jcr:bba47b07-61ba-41c3-8c79-33c005c1f56d/CMSfacsimile_all.pdf https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/dam/jcr:bba47b07-61ba-4... as a "fascimile" edition that's free.

antiframe 2y ago
Is the CMS from 1906 still useful today? I don't know who proportion of stylistic mores have changed since then.