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I have as much disdain for the monkey man as the next OSS fan. But VSCode was always closed sourced crap at the arbitrary whims of a soulless zombie corp, and

I have as much disdain for the monkey man as the next OSS fan. But VSCode was always closed sourced crap at the arbitrary whims of a soulless zombie corp, and they never promised otherwise in a significant way. It's not relevant and not a good foundational signal or basis for any argument.

Karrot_Kream 2y ago
... https://github.com/microsoft/vscode https://github.com/microsoft/vscode? It's MIT licensed. Or are we here to start GPL vs MIT for the 10,000th time?
- signa11 2y ago
  oh please :) the old ‘embrace-extend-extinguish’ model is what it _truly_ is, f.e. , you cannot take extensions from m$ store and use it. there have been large number of discussions around this topic, and folks have highlighted these concerns more articulately than i could ever hope to do. take your pick.
  - cypress66 2y ago
    Idk, I use cursor which is a proprietary commercial VS code fork and it just works. So clearly the license/OSS situation is very workable.
  - kristiandupont 2y ago
    > ‘embrace-extend-extinguish’ model is what it _truly_ is With this mindset, what could MS possibly create that wouldn't make you say this?
    - mynameisash 2y ago
      This definitely seems like an unfalsifiable proposition for the MS haters. Microsoft does something shitty? See, they're a terrible company. Microsoft does something awesome? Well, we're currently in the "embrace" or "extend", so they're a terrible company. I'm as (or more) pessimistic than the next guy about the state of tech and capitalism, but at least give credit when and where credit's due.
      - signa11 2y ago
        a previous discussion about something similar happened here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25719045 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25719045
      - coretx 2y ago
        The destructive EEE strategy is replaced by a constructive poisoning the well strategy. That's arguably moral progress while there is no legal or financial incentive to do so. That's praise for Nadella, not Ballmer.
- ensignavenger 2y ago
  That is Code OSS, MS official binary builds of Visual Studio Code, as explained at the top of the Readme, include proprietary code. MS also has several very popular proprietary extensions. Some of those extensions, older cersions were open source.
solarkraft 2y ago
> they never promised otherwise in a significant way It’s commonly promoted as „open source“ and this seems to be commonly believed. Pretty much everyone I tell that the official builds of VSCode are proprietary (and how proprietary they are) is pretty surprised.
smolder 2y ago
There's a working build of just the open source part of VSCode (with basically all the same functionality) called VSCodium

Karrot_Kream 2y ago

... https://github.com/microsoft/vscode https://github.com/microsoft/vscode? It's MIT licensed. Or are we here to start GPL vs MIT for the 10,000th time?

signa11 2y ago
oh please :) the old ‘embrace-extend-extinguish’ model is what it _truly_ is, f.e. , you cannot take extensions from m$ store and use it. there have been large number of discussions around this topic, and folks have highlighted these concerns more articulately than i could ever hope to do. take your pick.
- cypress66 2y ago
  Idk, I use cursor which is a proprietary commercial VS code fork and it just works. So clearly the license/OSS situation is very workable.
- kristiandupont 2y ago
  > ‘embrace-extend-extinguish’ model is what it _truly_ is With this mindset, what could MS possibly create that wouldn't make you say this?
  - mynameisash 2y ago
    This definitely seems like an unfalsifiable proposition for the MS haters. Microsoft does something shitty? See, they're a terrible company. Microsoft does something awesome? Well, we're currently in the "embrace" or "extend", so they're a terrible company. I'm as (or more) pessimistic than the next guy about the state of tech and capitalism, but at least give credit when and where credit's due.
    - signa11 2y ago
      a previous discussion about something similar happened here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25719045 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25719045
    - coretx 2y ago
      The destructive EEE strategy is replaced by a constructive poisoning the well strategy. That's arguably moral progress while there is no legal or financial incentive to do so. That's praise for Nadella, not Ballmer.
ensignavenger 2y ago
That is Code OSS, MS official binary builds of Visual Studio Code, as explained at the top of the Readme, include proprietary code. MS also has several very popular proprietary extensions. Some of those extensions, older cersions were open source.

solarkraft 2y ago

> they never promised otherwise in a significant way It’s commonly promoted as „open source“ and this seems to be commonly believed. Pretty much everyone I tell that the official builds of VSCode are proprietary (and how proprietary they are) is pretty surprised.

smolder 2y ago

There's a working build of just the open source part of VSCode (with basically all the same functionality) called VSCodium