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That’s why I specifically qualified my comment “within the context of a typical crud api server”. I remember this being true 10 years ago. Java web servers I

That’s why I specifically qualified my comment “within the context of a typical crud api server”. I remember this being true 10 years ago. Java web servers I maintained had a huge problem with tail latency. Maybe if you were working on a 1 qps service it didn’t matter. But for those of us working on high qps systems, this was a huge problem. But like I said, I know the Java people have put a ton of work in to try to close the gap with Go. So maybe this isn’t true anymore.

neonsunset 2y ago
Typical CRUD API server is going to do quite a few allocations, maybe use the "default" (underwhelming) gRPC implementation to call third-parties and query a DB (not to mention way worse state of ORMs in Go). It's an old topic. Go tends to perform better at "leaner" microservices, but if you are judging this only by comparing it to the state of Java many years ago, ignoring numerous alternative stacks, it's going to be a completely unproductive way to look at the situation. Let's not move the goalposts.
vips7L 2y ago
You can't compare 10 years ago Java to current Go. 10 years ago was Java 8, we are currently on Java 23. The performance difference is massive between these 2 runtimes especially between the available garbage collectors. Hazelcast has a good blog [0] on their benchmarks between 8 and some of the more modern runtimes, here is one of their conclusions: > JDK 8 is an antiquated runtime. The default Parallel collector enters huge Full GC pauses and the G1, although having less frequent Full GCs, is stuck in an old version that uses just one thread to perform it, resulting in even longer pauses. Even on a moderate heap of 12 GB, the pauses were exceeding 20 seconds for Parallel and a full minute for G1. The ConcurrentMarkSweep collector is strictly worse than G1 in all scenarios, and its failure mode are multi-minute Full GC pause [0] https://hazelcast.com/blog/performance-of-modern-java-on-data-heavy-workloads-part-1/ https://hazelcast.com/blog/performance-of-modern-java-on-dat...

neonsunset 2y ago

Typical CRUD API server is going to do quite a few allocations, maybe use the "default" (underwhelming) gRPC implementation to call third-parties and query a DB (not to mention way worse state of ORMs in Go). It's an old topic. Go tends to perform better at "leaner" microservices, but if you are judging this only by comparing it to the state of Java many years ago, ignoring numerous alternative stacks, it's going to be a completely unproductive way to look at the situation. Let's not move the goalposts.

vips7L 2y ago

You can't compare 10 years ago Java to current Go. 10 years ago was Java 8, we are currently on Java 23. The performance difference is massive between these 2 runtimes especially between the available garbage collectors. Hazelcast has a good blog [0] on their benchmarks between 8 and some of the more modern runtimes, here is one of their conclusions: > JDK 8 is an antiquated runtime. The default Parallel collector enters huge Full GC pauses and the G1, although having less frequent Full GCs, is stuck in an old version that uses just one thread to perform it, resulting in even longer pauses. Even on a moderate heap of 12 GB, the pauses were exceeding 20 seconds for Parallel and a full minute for G1. The ConcurrentMarkSweep collector is strictly worse than G1 in all scenarios, and its failure mode are multi-minute Full GC pause [0] https://hazelcast.com/blog/performance-of-modern-java-on-data-heavy-workloads-part-1/ https://hazelcast.com/blog/performance-of-modern-java-on-dat...