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I don't think I've ever heard anyone but few power users here and on some other boards to be excited by Apple Intelligence. Just recently I've read that camera

I don't think I've ever heard anyone but few power users here and on some other boards to be excited by Apple Intelligence. Just recently I've read that camera and battery are still what users looked for when buying a phone in the last 6 months, AI was not a concern to neither iOS nor Android users. That being said I think that it's the kind of thing that many will want to have once they see a power user playing with it and achieving many things with their voice or few gestures.

r00fus 2y ago
People aren't excited because it's just been released stateside. Wait for the customer success stories to appear before determining desire.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  Gemini's been a thing for android and Samsung has something too. I've heard nilch about "success stories". I've even heard it loses some accuracy on voice commands compared to Google Assist. These are features to excite shareholders, not users.
  - kaba0 2y ago
    Apple’s intelligence has the benefit of a much deeper integration (if they can live up to their wwdc), which will pretty much bring the sci-fi assistent to life. Just say “when will my plane depart” and when siri replies ask it to “send that info to X” is absolutely possible with current LLM tech exposed to a standardized API against which it can execute commands. Give it some personalized context and that’s absolutely reachable tech. I don’t know, if apple can pull it off, that will bring a huge change to human-device interactions.
    - whalabi 2y ago
      Ah we were typing at the same time but strong agree: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41974935 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41974935
  - whalabi 2y ago
    Personally I picked my next phone based on which had the most useful AI this year. I've been waiting my whole life for, basically, the computer from Star Trek, and I think it's on the way. Gemini was really disappointing. It could do some incredible things but it was more like the first hints of what will be possible. For example, I could ask it to show me the biggest files in my Google Drive. And as far as I could tell, it had access to Google Drive APIs, and _could decide how to use them_. That's extremely powerful, that means it could think of what to do to accomplish any goal you have and determine how to do it. If the API can do anything the UI can do, then the AI can do anything you can do, and you don't have to point and click and type like it's 2024, and we're suddenly in the 24th century. But, it was too early. Many of my requests were met with "I'm sorry I can't access x y z" when it could and did at other times. The unreliability is what got to me. So I went with an iPhone (my first ever, I'm not American) because I think in the short term, iOS is going to have the experience which is closer to this intelligence. Because it can drive behavior in other apps and will increasingly do so as features roll out. Don't be fooled though Apple Intelligence is currently very, very limited. Side note: I don't care about the text and image gen capabilities at all. Though the notification summaries are pretty handy and occasionally hilarious. .... I might write a piece for http://unlikekinds.com http://unlikekinds.com about this.
- isodev 2y ago
  People aren't excited because most of it already exists with native apps like chatGPT itself or even Copilot (Microsoft's SwiftKey keyboard for example, can generate memes, images, guess emoji etc) Integrarion through Siri is not transformational because few actually use Siri - Siri in Europe is dumb as a bucket, even when it correctly understands what you're asking.
drexlspivey 2y ago
The market looks excited, the stock is almost 40% up since a few weeks before the announcement in May
- eastbound 2y ago
  Yes, any company not having an AI offer appears as a loser. Ex: When you see travel pictures with tourists on it… You know it’s a iPhone. Android users have pristine pictures of the Coliseum without anyone in it. Crowded photos are the green bubbles of iMessage.
  - prmoustache 2y ago
    Am I the only one who want to have photos that represent my experience, regardless of the amount of tourists ir traffic or road/building work done at the scene? The photo of one of my family in law whatsapp group which we also framed in our corridor is a photo of me with my partner and her sister in a scenic historical street with a dog peeing at a light pole on the right corner. Another almost identical picture was taken without the dog but we just decided the "imperfect" one was better. If I wanted a picture of a momument without tourists, I could just buy the damn postcard or download it somewhere.
    - rootusrootus 2y ago
      > Am I the only one Definitely not. Relatedly, the best advice I ever got about taking pictures of not-people is to put people in them. There are countless pictures, many of them better than I will ever get, of almost every mountain/building/whatever in the world. Put yourself, friends, and family in the shot, or it will be forgettable. We just went through my late mother's albums of pictures a few months ago, and ultimately we ended up discarding a rather large number of them because they were just random pictures of landscapes.
    - asyx 2y ago
      The target audience is influencers that make the Apple look and feel of photos the default. They want pretty pictures and perfect scenes and then you have a bunch of teenagers going for the $1000+ iPhone instead of a Pixel for half the price with better AI but a different post processing pipeline
knallfrosch 2y ago
> I don't think I've ever heard anyone but few power users here and on some other boards to be excited by Apple Intelligence. So what? Users don't know what they want, or need. People claim phones haven't "noticeably improved" in 5 years and then spend $600 more on a new phone instead of buying an old one.
- kaba0 2y ago
  ‘Informed users’ has always been a joke.
hggigg 2y ago
Assuming it works well enough to be useful.
runjake 2y ago
> I don't think I've ever heard anyone but few power users here and on some other boards to be excited by Apple Intelligence. Because the vast majority of the user base hasn't really heard of Apple Intelligence and definitely doesn't understand what it is. It's been out in tangible form for a few hours, and 99% of the people haven't had a chance to update yet.
Someone 2y ago
> Just recently I've read that camera and battery are still what users looked for when buying a phone in the last 6 months, AI was not a concern to neither iOS nor Android users. I think that’s part of the reason Apple calls their stuff ‘intelligence’, not AI. Users do not want better cameras, they want better pictures, and a large part of what gives that to them is smart software. for example https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/depth-pro https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/depth-pro (“Depth Pro: Sharp Monocular Metric Depth in Less Than a Second”), if it works across huge ranges of pictures, will enable features that users like, but users may not call that AI.
thefourthchime 2y ago
I just installed 18.2 and now that Siri can fallback to ChatGPT (with search results) you can have Siri can actually answer things, all while still setting timers and turning on lights. The integration seems well thought out, I think people will find it useful.

r00fus 2y ago

People aren't excited because it's just been released stateside. Wait for the customer success stories to appear before determining desire.

johnnyanmac 2y ago
Gemini's been a thing for android and Samsung has something too. I've heard nilch about "success stories". I've even heard it loses some accuracy on voice commands compared to Google Assist. These are features to excite shareholders, not users.
- kaba0 2y ago
  Apple’s intelligence has the benefit of a much deeper integration (if they can live up to their wwdc), which will pretty much bring the sci-fi assistent to life. Just say “when will my plane depart” and when siri replies ask it to “send that info to X” is absolutely possible with current LLM tech exposed to a standardized API against which it can execute commands. Give it some personalized context and that’s absolutely reachable tech. I don’t know, if apple can pull it off, that will bring a huge change to human-device interactions.
  - whalabi 2y ago
    Ah we were typing at the same time but strong agree: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41974935 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41974935
- whalabi 2y ago
  Personally I picked my next phone based on which had the most useful AI this year. I've been waiting my whole life for, basically, the computer from Star Trek, and I think it's on the way. Gemini was really disappointing. It could do some incredible things but it was more like the first hints of what will be possible. For example, I could ask it to show me the biggest files in my Google Drive. And as far as I could tell, it had access to Google Drive APIs, and _could decide how to use them_. That's extremely powerful, that means it could think of what to do to accomplish any goal you have and determine how to do it. If the API can do anything the UI can do, then the AI can do anything you can do, and you don't have to point and click and type like it's 2024, and we're suddenly in the 24th century. But, it was too early. Many of my requests were met with "I'm sorry I can't access x y z" when it could and did at other times. The unreliability is what got to me. So I went with an iPhone (my first ever, I'm not American) because I think in the short term, iOS is going to have the experience which is closer to this intelligence. Because it can drive behavior in other apps and will increasingly do so as features roll out. Don't be fooled though Apple Intelligence is currently very, very limited. Side note: I don't care about the text and image gen capabilities at all. Though the notification summaries are pretty handy and occasionally hilarious. .... I might write a piece for http://unlikekinds.com http://unlikekinds.com about this.
isodev 2y ago
People aren't excited because most of it already exists with native apps like chatGPT itself or even Copilot (Microsoft's SwiftKey keyboard for example, can generate memes, images, guess emoji etc) Integrarion through Siri is not transformational because few actually use Siri - Siri in Europe is dumb as a bucket, even when it correctly understands what you're asking.

drexlspivey 2y ago

The market looks excited, the stock is almost 40% up since a few weeks before the announcement in May

eastbound 2y ago
Yes, any company not having an AI offer appears as a loser. Ex: When you see travel pictures with tourists on it… You know it’s a iPhone. Android users have pristine pictures of the Coliseum without anyone in it. Crowded photos are the green bubbles of iMessage.
- prmoustache 2y ago
  Am I the only one who want to have photos that represent my experience, regardless of the amount of tourists ir traffic or road/building work done at the scene? The photo of one of my family in law whatsapp group which we also framed in our corridor is a photo of me with my partner and her sister in a scenic historical street with a dog peeing at a light pole on the right corner. Another almost identical picture was taken without the dog but we just decided the "imperfect" one was better. If I wanted a picture of a momument without tourists, I could just buy the damn postcard or download it somewhere.
  - rootusrootus 2y ago
    > Am I the only one Definitely not. Relatedly, the best advice I ever got about taking pictures of not-people is to put people in them. There are countless pictures, many of them better than I will ever get, of almost every mountain/building/whatever in the world. Put yourself, friends, and family in the shot, or it will be forgettable. We just went through my late mother's albums of pictures a few months ago, and ultimately we ended up discarding a rather large number of them because they were just random pictures of landscapes.
  - asyx 2y ago
    The target audience is influencers that make the Apple look and feel of photos the default. They want pretty pictures and perfect scenes and then you have a bunch of teenagers going for the $1000+ iPhone instead of a Pixel for half the price with better AI but a different post processing pipeline

knallfrosch 2y ago

> I don't think I've ever heard anyone but few power users here and on some other boards to be excited by Apple Intelligence. So what? Users don't know what they want, or need. People claim phones haven't "noticeably improved" in 5 years and then spend $600 more on a new phone instead of buying an old one.

kaba0 2y ago
‘Informed users’ has always been a joke.

hggigg 2y ago

Assuming it works well enough to be useful.

runjake 2y ago

> I don't think I've ever heard anyone but few power users here and on some other boards to be excited by Apple Intelligence. Because the vast majority of the user base hasn't really heard of Apple Intelligence and definitely doesn't understand what it is. It's been out in tangible form for a few hours, and 99% of the people haven't had a chance to update yet.

Someone 2y ago

> Just recently I've read that camera and battery are still what users looked for when buying a phone in the last 6 months, AI was not a concern to neither iOS nor Android users. I think that’s part of the reason Apple calls their stuff ‘intelligence’, not AI. Users do not want better cameras, they want better pictures, and a large part of what gives that to them is smart software. for example https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/depth-pro https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/depth-pro (“Depth Pro: Sharp Monocular Metric Depth in Less Than a Second”), if it works across huge ranges of pictures, will enable features that users like, but users may not call that AI.

thefourthchime 2y ago

I just installed 18.2 and now that Siri can fallback to ChatGPT (with search results) you can have Siri can actually answer things, all while still setting timers and turning on lights. The integration seems well thought out, I think people will find it useful.