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> As a European used to efficient train travel As an European myself, try to do a train trip in south of Italy and then discover if it's efficient enough

throw_pm23 2y ago
Or in Germany where now about half of the rides are on time.
- johannes1234321 2y ago
  It's sad how bad it became, but when comparing to U.S. Germany is still doing fine. Both due to number of trains and in delays.
  - seabass-labrax 2y ago
    Additionally, for many kinds of journey the delays are rather unimportant as long as the frequency of service is high, which I think generally is the case in Germany. I can't see anyone being too fussed if their specific S-Bahn connection is early or late when there are still trains running on the same route every ten minutes. I suspect that the most upset and vocal users of the Deutsche Bahn are the commuters who need to be at work at a specific time yet still travel ~100km or more on hourly RE/IC trains. In that situation it's frustrating to have to catch the train a whole hour earlier to be safe.
    - wink 2y ago
      Yes and no and it highly depends where you live. Here in Munich the S-Bahn trains typically go every 20 mins during the day and sometimes every 40 very early or late. So that's already a problem if you want to arrive for work and can't just start 30min earlier, the regional trains often go every hour as you mentioned. So yeah, if you live where there's a subway or a bus then the 10min thing works, but just a tiny bit on the outskirts with only the S-Bahn it often sucks. I was very glad when I moved from "need to take S-Bahn or bus to work, or to the subway" to "walk or bus to subway" neighborhood, even if it's roughly the same distance to the city center, and both decidedly IN the city, not the outskirts.
weard_beard 2y ago
You know Mussolini was actually pretty progressive on this. He was the first in Europe to introduce green biofuels to public transportation by way of a unique spice based process. The trains ran on thyme.
- madduci 2y ago
  And then the railroad network kind of stagnated for 50 years. the fast speed trains ("Alta velocità") are only available in the North. In the South you have thoughts and prayers. A trip Bari<>Milano (900km) is mostly around 8-9 hours, going further south elongates the journey incredibly.
handzhiev 2y ago
The Balkans are also a great place to experience efficient train travel :)

throw_pm23 2y ago

Or in Germany where now about half of the rides are on time.

johannes1234321 2y ago
It's sad how bad it became, but when comparing to U.S. Germany is still doing fine. Both due to number of trains and in delays.
- seabass-labrax 2y ago
  Additionally, for many kinds of journey the delays are rather unimportant as long as the frequency of service is high, which I think generally is the case in Germany. I can't see anyone being too fussed if their specific S-Bahn connection is early or late when there are still trains running on the same route every ten minutes. I suspect that the most upset and vocal users of the Deutsche Bahn are the commuters who need to be at work at a specific time yet still travel ~100km or more on hourly RE/IC trains. In that situation it's frustrating to have to catch the train a whole hour earlier to be safe.
  - wink 2y ago
    Yes and no and it highly depends where you live. Here in Munich the S-Bahn trains typically go every 20 mins during the day and sometimes every 40 very early or late. So that's already a problem if you want to arrive for work and can't just start 30min earlier, the regional trains often go every hour as you mentioned. So yeah, if you live where there's a subway or a bus then the 10min thing works, but just a tiny bit on the outskirts with only the S-Bahn it often sucks. I was very glad when I moved from "need to take S-Bahn or bus to work, or to the subway" to "walk or bus to subway" neighborhood, even if it's roughly the same distance to the city center, and both decidedly IN the city, not the outskirts.

weard_beard 2y ago

You know Mussolini was actually pretty progressive on this. He was the first in Europe to introduce green biofuels to public transportation by way of a unique spice based process. The trains ran on thyme.

madduci 2y ago
And then the railroad network kind of stagnated for 50 years. the fast speed trains ("Alta velocità") are only available in the North. In the South you have thoughts and prayers. A trip Bari<>Milano (900km) is mostly around 8-9 hours, going further south elongates the journey incredibly.

handzhiev 2y ago

The Balkans are also a great place to experience efficient train travel :)