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Yeah but from a policy perspective, which specific influences do you see from those groups on California politics? Even if Anglo-Saxons are now a minority, as

Yeah but from a policy perspective, which specific influences do you see from those groups on California politics? Even if Anglo-Saxons are now a minority, as a founding population they can exert disproportionate influence. New immigrants want to fit in to their new home, so they adopt majority views, thereby reinforcing those majority views for subsequent immigrant waves.

alephnerd 2y ago
> Even if Anglo-Saxons are now a minority They were never a majority in California. Take a look at census data as well as reading basic California history. The largest ethnic groups in California have always been Hispanics and Germans. Albion's Seed is a good book, but Fischer's analysis was limited to Appalachia, New England, the Delaware Valley, and Virginia. He did mean for it try to be a generalized explanation for the entire US. Furthermore, if you look at the history of legislation in the West and Midwest, it's also fairly distinct in comparison to the East Coast. Abolitionism, trade unions, Humboldtian ideal, women's suffrage, etc all had extremely strong support across much of the West and Midwest, and this itself was due to post-1849 immigration from Central Europe following the failed revolutions of 1849. Just think about it in general - almost everything that you think is "American" is actually German. Hot dogs, Hamburgers, Budweiser, Chrysler, Rockefeller, Disney, the New York Times, Christmas Trees, Lutheran congregations, Mennonite congregations, etc.
no_time 2y ago
>New immigrants want to fit in to their new home Post 2015 Europe would like to have a word with that.
- defrost 2y ago
  It can wait in line until every pre-2000 country colonised by Europeans has had their say.
  - no_time 2y ago
    I suppose this is what is happening. What bothers me is that it’s not ought to be this way. Would be trivially easy to put a stop to this if we weren’t being rotten from the inside.

alephnerd 2y ago

> Even if Anglo-Saxons are now a minority They were never a majority in California. Take a look at census data as well as reading basic California history. The largest ethnic groups in California have always been Hispanics and Germans. Albion's Seed is a good book, but Fischer's analysis was limited to Appalachia, New England, the Delaware Valley, and Virginia. He did mean for it try to be a generalized explanation for the entire US. Furthermore, if you look at the history of legislation in the West and Midwest, it's also fairly distinct in comparison to the East Coast. Abolitionism, trade unions, Humboldtian ideal, women's suffrage, etc all had extremely strong support across much of the West and Midwest, and this itself was due to post-1849 immigration from Central Europe following the failed revolutions of 1849. Just think about it in general - almost everything that you think is "American" is actually German. Hot dogs, Hamburgers, Budweiser, Chrysler, Rockefeller, Disney, the New York Times, Christmas Trees, Lutheran congregations, Mennonite congregations, etc.

no_time 2y ago

>New immigrants want to fit in to their new home Post 2015 Europe would like to have a word with that.

defrost 2y ago
It can wait in line until every pre-2000 country colonised by Europeans has had their say.
- no_time 2y ago
  I suppose this is what is happening. What bothers me is that it’s not ought to be this way. Would be trivially easy to put a stop to this if we weren’t being rotten from the inside.