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I think you underestimate how much larger of a task terraforming the USA west is then say building a rail network through the US (which was an impressive feat)

I think you underestimate how much larger of a task terraforming the USA west is then say building a rail network through the US (which was an impressive feat) or building hoover dam(also impressive). Not only that the issue with terraforming the West is you are pulling sooo many resources away from productive uses into low value uses. The American productivity and growth in the past were all large projects that reaped significant benefits of productivity. Sometimes big projects are great ideas, sometimes they are well intentioned but bad ideas. Don't worry theres no shortage of dreamers in America -- some of those dreams are great but not all of them. Also trying to muscle through reasonable questions by trying to label them as some kind of Nimby sad sack is a poor strategy to influence people.

goatmanbah 2y ago
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- llamaimperative 2y ago
  It reads to me like they’re arguing the ROI and the opportunity cost aren’t worth it for this particular project. “Why be a sourpuss” is not very convincing…
  - goatmanbah 2y ago
    It's obviously premature to dismiss the idea without actually determining ROI or opportunity cost.
    - cool_dude85 2y ago
      I'd say it's the onus of the guy saving turn Fresno into a lakefront tech hub or whatever to provide some ROI numbers.
      - goatmanbah 2y ago
        This is why no one can build anything. You can't even have an idea without first doing all the work. That's insane. He doesn't owe anyone anything.
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        In a way, you’re right. But of course the reason there are so many onerous regulations is because the market has demonstrated an inability to do this kind of thorough analysis itself prior to inflicting vast negative externalities on the commons. Not that all of these regulations are perfect/necessary/ultimately good, but they’re not coming out of nowhere. There’s no one in some dingy room with filing cabinets dreaming up ways they can “slow down progress” for the fun of it.
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      Their analysis looks far more thorough than TFA or yours. Will patiently await a yet more thorough analysis that shows it is worth doing though, let me know if you find one.
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goatmanbah 2y ago

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llamaimperative 2y ago
It reads to me like they’re arguing the ROI and the opportunity cost aren’t worth it for this particular project. “Why be a sourpuss” is not very convincing…
- goatmanbah 2y ago
  It's obviously premature to dismiss the idea without actually determining ROI or opportunity cost.
  - cool_dude85 2y ago
    I'd say it's the onus of the guy saving turn Fresno into a lakefront tech hub or whatever to provide some ROI numbers.
    - goatmanbah 2y ago
      This is why no one can build anything. You can't even have an idea without first doing all the work. That's insane. He doesn't owe anyone anything.
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        In a way, you’re right. But of course the reason there are so many onerous regulations is because the market has demonstrated an inability to do this kind of thorough analysis itself prior to inflicting vast negative externalities on the commons. Not that all of these regulations are perfect/necessary/ultimately good, but they’re not coming out of nowhere. There’s no one in some dingy room with filing cabinets dreaming up ways they can “slow down progress” for the fun of it.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    Their analysis looks far more thorough than TFA or yours. Will patiently await a yet more thorough analysis that shows it is worth doing though, let me know if you find one.

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