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> One of the largest islands on the tropical atoll, Diego Garcia, will remain a joint US-UK military base and is expected to remain so for 99 years with an opti

by mixdup 2y ago

> One of the largest islands on the tropical atoll, Diego Garcia, will remain a joint US-UK military base and is expected to remain so for 99 years with an option to renew. This is not the same thing as maintaining sovereignty. The US has bases in many countries, but it's not native US soil

tialaramex 2y ago
Yes. For example, in the town where I was born there's a US airbase. Well, I say airbase because that's what the paperwork says, its actual function as I understand it was a site for a school for the kids of American military personnel, there are no planes there. When I worked for a defence contractor the Troubles were still a thing, so on the British base there'd be a chicane and armed gate guards, no crashing through the gates and blowing stuff up inside the base for you. But at the US airbase there was just a sign saying Condition Black (ie no danger) and you could walk in, presumably the terrorists weren't dumb enough to attack a bunch of American school kids whose parents were military given that a lot of their funding came from America... Ostensibly the reason I'd be visiting that US airbase was vital urgent paperwork being transported personally by a British officer, who was entitled to the use of a vehicle which I was driving, to some senior American personnel - but we sure did seem to generate a lot of such paperwork and we always bought back donuts (which the Americans have on their airbase) ... Anyway, that US airbase is definitely not American soil. I did actually own a passport, and I had the right to enter the US, but I was never asked about it because the airbase was in Britain, on British land, merely on loan to the Americans indefinitely.
photonthug 2y ago
yeah technically embassies, bases, and even individual rooms in international airports are sovereign in the legal sense afaik, ie that host country laws need not apply. By this logic I guess the sun never sets on quite a few empires. At the same time if we were talking about “native” then maybe the sun has always set on every empire, since protectorates, territories, or fully conquered subsidiaries will never seem native unless they were originally next door, in which case.. you’re unlikely to get that many extra time zones as part of the deal.

by mixdup 2y ago

tialaramex 2y ago

Yes. For example, in the town where I was born there's a US airbase. Well, I say airbase because that's what the paperwork says, its actual function as I understand it was a site for a school for the kids of American military personnel, there are no planes there. When I worked for a defence contractor the Troubles were still a thing, so on the British base there'd be a chicane and armed gate guards, no crashing through the gates and blowing stuff up inside the base for you. But at the US airbase there was just a sign saying Condition Black (ie no danger) and you could walk in, presumably the terrorists weren't dumb enough to attack a bunch of American school kids whose parents were military given that a lot of their funding came from America... Ostensibly the reason I'd be visiting that US airbase was vital urgent paperwork being transported personally by a British officer, who was entitled to the use of a vehicle which I was driving, to some senior American personnel - but we sure did seem to generate a lot of such paperwork and we always bought back donuts (which the Americans have on their airbase) ... Anyway, that US airbase is definitely not American soil. I did actually own a passport, and I had the right to enter the US, but I was never asked about it because the airbase was in Britain, on British land, merely on loan to the Americans indefinitely.

photonthug 2y ago

yeah technically embassies, bases, and even individual rooms in international airports are sovereign in the legal sense afaik, ie that host country laws need not apply. By this logic I guess the sun never sets on quite a few empires. At the same time if we were talking about “native” then maybe the sun has always set on every empire, since protectorates, territories, or fully conquered subsidiaries will never seem native unless they were originally next door, in which case.. you’re unlikely to get that many extra time zones as part of the deal.