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I'm already annoyed I have to wipe my devices whenever I travel there or risk a $5000 fine and maybe jail time if they want the password and I don't give it up.

I'm already annoyed I have to wipe my devices whenever I travel there or risk a $5000 fine and maybe jail time if they want the password and I don't give it up. Australia has to be the least free country in the anglosphere.

Aeolun 2y ago
What kind of thing do you have on your PC they’d care about? Actually, I guess if you don’t want them to know you won’t tell me now either xD I don’t like the idea of handing out my password any more, but wiping my PC is too much effort.
- ruthmarx 2y ago
  > What kind of thing do you have on your PC they’d care about? You get that's not the point, right?
  - Aeolun 2y ago
    This seemed to be a fairly explicit case of “I hate traveling to Australia because of so and so”. Sure, it’s retarded in general, but that was not what I was talking/asking about. They apparently both have a need to travel to Australia, _and_ data on their PC that requires wiping. That makes me curious what kind of data that could be.
    - ruthmarx 2y ago
      > _and_ data on their PC that requires wiping. All data requires wiping because no government has a right to it without a warrant or as part of an investigation, no matter what the data is.
      - Aeolun 2y ago
        Yeah, no. If my 5 year old can look at it without worry, so can random airport guy number 34.
        ruthmarx 2y ago
        You continue to miss the point. But if you're happy handing over your personal data, and your stance is representative of most Australians, that's probably why privacy protections are so weak in Australia - most don't understand why they should care.
        marcus_holmes 2y ago
        This. The old "if you've got nothing to hide then you've got nothing to worry about". It's all good until the leopards start eating their face, then suddenly they understand the problem.
worthless-trash 2y ago
How often do your devices get checked my immigration. Serious question.. I have never had anything stopped.
- ruthmarx 2y ago
  So far never, but it's the point they can request it and punish me if I refuse which is deeply concerning.
cmrdporcupine 2y ago
What? The US has been pulling this crap since 9/11, so I'm not sure what you're going on about IRT the Anglo-Sphere. The US only has privacy rights for Americans. As a non-citizen traveler, they routinely belittle, humiliate, and violate such privacy, demanding access to people's phones at risk of detention (or at best being sent back home) being exactly one of the things they do. Ask almost any Canadian what they think about the border in the last 20 years. I've also had them mock and belittle me for no reason ("what event are you going to?" "that sounds stupid."), just petty stuff. I wipe my personal data when traveling to the US, which I pretty much only do for work. (And likely won't even do that anymore if Nov 5 goes to Trump)
- ruthmarx 2y ago
  > so I'm not sure what you're going on about IRT the Anglo-Sphere. Australia is worse than the US for this, and worse than any other anglo country. > The US only has privacy rights for Americans. Yes, and Australia doesn't even have privacy rights for Australians. Hence worse. > As a non-citizen traveler, they routinely belittle, humiliate, and violate such privacy, demanding access to people's phones at risk of detention (or at best being sent back home) being exactly one of the things they do. Ask almost any Canadian what they think about the border in the last 20 years. The Australian border force isn't any better for this, you just don't see it because I presume you're an Australian citizen. The UK and Canada can be pretty bad as well. Shitty border personal are not unique to the US. > I wipe my personal data when traveling to the US, which I pretty much only do for work. The difference in the US is if you are a citizen or green card holder you can tell them to go suck eggs, and the worst they can do is confiscate your device. In Australia, even if you're a citizen, you face IIRC a $5000 fine and possibly some jail time. So that's much worse.
  - defrost 2y ago
    They need a legal basis and they are required to cite that: https://galballyparker.com.au/can-australian-border-force-search-my-phone-at-the-airport/ https://galballyparker.com.au/can-australian-border-force-se... In my experience and by my reading of performance stats US Border force are far more intrusive and over bearing than Australian Border forces.

Aeolun 2y ago

What kind of thing do you have on your PC they’d care about? Actually, I guess if you don’t want them to know you won’t tell me now either xD I don’t like the idea of handing out my password any more, but wiping my PC is too much effort.

ruthmarx 2y ago
> What kind of thing do you have on your PC they’d care about? You get that's not the point, right?
- Aeolun 2y ago
  This seemed to be a fairly explicit case of “I hate traveling to Australia because of so and so”. Sure, it’s retarded in general, but that was not what I was talking/asking about. They apparently both have a need to travel to Australia, _and_ data on their PC that requires wiping. That makes me curious what kind of data that could be.
  - ruthmarx 2y ago
    > _and_ data on their PC that requires wiping. All data requires wiping because no government has a right to it without a warrant or as part of an investigation, no matter what the data is.
    - Aeolun 2y ago
      Yeah, no. If my 5 year old can look at it without worry, so can random airport guy number 34.
      - ruthmarx 2y ago
        You continue to miss the point. But if you're happy handing over your personal data, and your stance is representative of most Australians, that's probably why privacy protections are so weak in Australia - most don't understand why they should care.
        marcus_holmes 2y ago
        This. The old "if you've got nothing to hide then you've got nothing to worry about". It's all good until the leopards start eating their face, then suddenly they understand the problem.

worthless-trash 2y ago

How often do your devices get checked my immigration. Serious question.. I have never had anything stopped.

ruthmarx 2y ago
So far never, but it's the point they can request it and punish me if I refuse which is deeply concerning.

cmrdporcupine 2y ago

What? The US has been pulling this crap since 9/11, so I'm not sure what you're going on about IRT the Anglo-Sphere. The US only has privacy rights for Americans. As a non-citizen traveler, they routinely belittle, humiliate, and violate such privacy, demanding access to people's phones at risk of detention (or at best being sent back home) being exactly one of the things they do. Ask almost any Canadian what they think about the border in the last 20 years. I've also had them mock and belittle me for no reason ("what event are you going to?" "that sounds stupid."), just petty stuff. I wipe my personal data when traveling to the US, which I pretty much only do for work. (And likely won't even do that anymore if Nov 5 goes to Trump)

ruthmarx 2y ago
> so I'm not sure what you're going on about IRT the Anglo-Sphere. Australia is worse than the US for this, and worse than any other anglo country. > The US only has privacy rights for Americans. Yes, and Australia doesn't even have privacy rights for Australians. Hence worse. > As a non-citizen traveler, they routinely belittle, humiliate, and violate such privacy, demanding access to people's phones at risk of detention (or at best being sent back home) being exactly one of the things they do. Ask almost any Canadian what they think about the border in the last 20 years. The Australian border force isn't any better for this, you just don't see it because I presume you're an Australian citizen. The UK and Canada can be pretty bad as well. Shitty border personal are not unique to the US. > I wipe my personal data when traveling to the US, which I pretty much only do for work. The difference in the US is if you are a citizen or green card holder you can tell them to go suck eggs, and the worst they can do is confiscate your device. In Australia, even if you're a citizen, you face IIRC a $5000 fine and possibly some jail time. So that's much worse.
- defrost 2y ago
  They need a legal basis and they are required to cite that: https://galballyparker.com.au/can-australian-border-force-search-my-phone-at-the-airport/ https://galballyparker.com.au/can-australian-border-force-se... In my experience and by my reading of performance stats US Border force are far more intrusive and over bearing than Australian Border forces.