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> Long-form reports by The Caravan and The Ken, along with reports by other media watchdogs have described the agency as serving as a propaganda tool of the inc

> Long-form reports by The Caravan and The Ken, along with reports by other media watchdogs have described the agency as serving as a propaganda tool of the incumbent government.[8][7][23] I wonder how long such a description of a US news outlet like CNN, Fox, NYT or WashPo would last on English Wikipedia.

dekhn 2y ago
The NYT isn't a propaganda tool of the incumbent government; they are the mouthpiece of the establishment, which is different.
tomrod 2y ago
Without end. These folks are listed as such and worse all across the internet by authoritarians in the US already.
boomboomsubban 2y ago
From the Fox News Wikipedia article >Fox News has been characterized by many as a propaganda organization.[24][25][26][27][28] Its coverage has included biased and false reporting in favor of the Republican Party, its politicians, and conservative causes,[29][30][31] while portraying the Democratic Party in a negative light. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News Too lazy to check the others. The NYT undoubtedly has a lengthy section on the buildup to the Iraq War, where they would have been a "propaganda tool of the incumbent government."
- kibwen 2y ago
  > The NYT undoubtedly has a lengthy section on the buildup to the Iraq War, where they would have been a "propaganda tool of the incumbent government." This comment might come across as sarcastic, possibly implying that Wikipedia wouldn't cover such a thing. To be clear, Wikipedia has an entire article entitled "List of The New York Times controversies" (linked from the main article), which does indeed mention the Iraq War (among other things) in the summary, with a section to elaborate, linking to the article on Judith Miller for much more extensive elaboration. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_New_York_Times_controversies#Second_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_New_York_Times_con... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller#The_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller#The_Iraq_War
dartharva 2y ago
For context, The Caravan is a magazine by the Delhi Press Group that presents itself as "fighting against obscurantism and authoritarianism", and has a big record of getting into legal fights with all kinds of people and organizations (listed here: https://caravanmagazine.in/pages/about-us https://caravanmagazine.in/pages/about-us). The Ken is just a business news startup out of Bangalore.

dekhn 2y ago

The NYT isn't a propaganda tool of the incumbent government; they are the mouthpiece of the establishment, which is different.

tomrod 2y ago

Without end. These folks are listed as such and worse all across the internet by authoritarians in the US already.

boomboomsubban 2y ago

From the Fox News Wikipedia article >Fox News has been characterized by many as a propaganda organization.[24][25][26][27][28] Its coverage has included biased and false reporting in favor of the Republican Party, its politicians, and conservative causes,[29][30][31] while portraying the Democratic Party in a negative light. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News Too lazy to check the others. The NYT undoubtedly has a lengthy section on the buildup to the Iraq War, where they would have been a "propaganda tool of the incumbent government."

kibwen 2y ago
> The NYT undoubtedly has a lengthy section on the buildup to the Iraq War, where they would have been a "propaganda tool of the incumbent government." This comment might come across as sarcastic, possibly implying that Wikipedia wouldn't cover such a thing. To be clear, Wikipedia has an entire article entitled "List of The New York Times controversies" (linked from the main article), which does indeed mention the Iraq War (among other things) in the summary, with a section to elaborate, linking to the article on Judith Miller for much more extensive elaboration. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_New_York_Times_controversies#Second_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_New_York_Times_con... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller#The_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller#The_Iraq_War

dartharva 2y ago

For context, The Caravan is a magazine by the Delhi Press Group that presents itself as "fighting against obscurantism and authoritarianism", and has a big record of getting into legal fights with all kinds of people and organizations (listed here: https://caravanmagazine.in/pages/about-us https://caravanmagazine.in/pages/about-us). The Ken is just a business news startup out of Bangalore.