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> still make mistakes all the time Even veteran eaters bite their tongue or lip once in while. That doesn't mean eating is hard. > No one is claiming Only ab

> still make mistakes all the time Even veteran eaters bite their tongue or lip once in while. That doesn't mean eating is hard. > No one is claiming Only about 3 out of 4 Rust advocates. > That's not the kind of code we're talking about. We should talk about all code. Code that gets thrown away, rewritten, or improved from prototype to production. It is relevant to productivity. If I'm going to throw away some code to get to the code I want, it will be an extra waste of time if it is difficult to write.

gauge_field 2y ago
I am not sure if Rust advocates tell that it will "magically" fix logic errors. What I hear they say is rather more precise terms: Stronger Type system, and memory safety, forcing more explicit design (e.g. no function overload). Whether this is true or not is another discussion to have. In my experience, it helps to have stronger type system regardless of any language of comparison if you want to avoid logic errors.
- kazinator 2y ago
  Not just logic errors but their problems in life, or something.
  - gauge_field 2y ago
    Ok. There are some problematic people in any community (although I would require more scientific data instead of personal anecdotes to be convinced, e.g. comparing stats related to this behaviour across different PLs with meaningful statistical metrics). I think this is more of complex sociological question than some people make it out to be. What I see is occasional people being aggressive rarely. The are disagreeing on a principled/reasonable manner. Those who are Rust fanboys (or whatever you implied) are suppressed/downvoted etc.
camgunz 2y ago
> Even veteran eaters bite their tongue or lip once in while. That doesn't mean eating is hard. Kinda. This would be more like if my mouth were stuffed with anti-tongue-bite technology and I'd trained for years using scientifically proven techniques to avoid biting my tongue, but inevitably I do anyway and then my identity and the identity of all of my friends get stolen. I love C and actively dislike Rust, but to minimize the effort spent compensating for and consequences of C's shortcomings is very head in the sand.

gauge_field 2y ago

I am not sure if Rust advocates tell that it will "magically" fix logic errors. What I hear they say is rather more precise terms: Stronger Type system, and memory safety, forcing more explicit design (e.g. no function overload). Whether this is true or not is another discussion to have. In my experience, it helps to have stronger type system regardless of any language of comparison if you want to avoid logic errors.

kazinator 2y ago
Not just logic errors but their problems in life, or something.
- gauge_field 2y ago
  Ok. There are some problematic people in any community (although I would require more scientific data instead of personal anecdotes to be convinced, e.g. comparing stats related to this behaviour across different PLs with meaningful statistical metrics). I think this is more of complex sociological question than some people make it out to be. What I see is occasional people being aggressive rarely. The are disagreeing on a principled/reasonable manner. Those who are Rust fanboys (or whatever you implied) are suppressed/downvoted etc.

camgunz 2y ago

> Even veteran eaters bite their tongue or lip once in while. That doesn't mean eating is hard. Kinda. This would be more like if my mouth were stuffed with anti-tongue-bite technology and I'd trained for years using scientifically proven techniques to avoid biting my tongue, but inevitably I do anyway and then my identity and the identity of all of my friends get stolen. I love C and actively dislike Rust, but to minimize the effort spent compensating for and consequences of C's shortcomings is very head in the sand.