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Uhm are they serious!? Jammers are forbidden by most countries and they find it okay to put that into space as a satellite. Honestly if the scenario they descri

Uhm are they serious!? Jammers are forbidden by most countries and they find it okay to put that into space as a satellite. Honestly if the scenario they describe when it comes to use it will be a target immediately and shot down just causing more debris. Space should be kept weapon free for the sake of humanity.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> shot down just causing more debris Yes, wars create debris. In this case, on the ground.
ceejayoz 2y ago
> Jammers are forbidden by most countries and they find it okay to put that into space as a satellite. You'll find such forbidding tends to exempt the countries themselves. Every military on the planet uses jammers. I can't collect taxes, but they can. I can't put someone in jail, but they can. I can't negotiate with foreign powers, but they can.
- Brybry 2y ago
  > I can't negotiate with foreign powers As an aside, I think this one is a maybe (in the US). Weirdly in over 200 years there's only been two indictments under the Logan Act and no convictions. [1] [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-un/flynn-kushner-targeted-several-states-in-failed-u-n-lobbying-diplomats-idUSKBN1DW015/#:~:text=only%20two,convicted https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-un/flynn...
Etheryte 2y ago
Shooting other people is also forbidden in most countries, but militaries of said countries are still allowed to do it e.g. when they're at war. This is the same, but for satellite communications.
- swayvil 2y ago
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  - bpodgursky 2y ago
    What
petre 2y ago
> Jammers are forbidden by most countries Russia is jamming their Western neighbours' GPS. I can't wait for US microwave weapons that fry their satellites.
- Afforess 2y ago
  You can’t wait for escalation? Are you pro-war???
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - dralley 2y ago
    They're currently shipping North Korean soldiers in to assist their invasion of Ukraine. That's a rather significant "escalation".
    - MaxPock 2y ago
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      - Sabinus 2y ago
        The South Korean intelligence agencies state that NK troops are going into Russia. Ukraine has no influence over SK or their intelligence agencies.
    - bev-erage 2y ago
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    - metalman 2y ago
      no they are not thats dumb but what is most assuredly happening, useing the most correct military protocols,is that Russia is hosting military attaché's from China and many others ,ie non combatant oficers who can watch and learn how to combat western weapons and tactics and as its turned into drone war 1,everybody has to recalibrate,with the brick's block(heh heh) all realy realy glad it isnt them getting droned to bits Russia is training some north Korean troops,but its likely going to be realy basic stuff fof joint border patrols and all in all a pr stick in the eye for the collective west
tullianus 2y ago
The jammer under discussion is not a satellite. It is a ground-based system that jams satellites. Did you read the article? There's even a photo of the system right at the top.
- sharpshadow 2y ago
  Damn I’m sorry.. the picture was blurry on the device I used since no JS and it was just the free part of the whole article. I was sloppy at the end of the workday and the weekend ahead. Probably also biased towards a satellite with jammers.
grayfaced 2y ago
Jammers are only illegal in the civilian legal context. I'm not aware of anything that makes jammers inherently illegal by broader law of armed conflict. Necessity and proportionality comes into play. Targeted jamming of military communications would certainly be allowed. Jamming of dual-use satellites becomes more nuanced.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> shot down just causing more debris Yes, wars create debris. In this case, on the ground.

ceejayoz 2y ago

> Jammers are forbidden by most countries and they find it okay to put that into space as a satellite. You'll find such forbidding tends to exempt the countries themselves. Every military on the planet uses jammers. I can't collect taxes, but they can. I can't put someone in jail, but they can. I can't negotiate with foreign powers, but they can.

Brybry 2y ago
> I can't negotiate with foreign powers As an aside, I think this one is a maybe (in the US). Weirdly in over 200 years there's only been two indictments under the Logan Act and no convictions. [1] [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-un/flynn-kushner-targeted-several-states-in-failed-u-n-lobbying-diplomats-idUSKBN1DW015/#:~:text=only%20two,convicted https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-un/flynn...

Etheryte 2y ago

Shooting other people is also forbidden in most countries, but militaries of said countries are still allowed to do it e.g. when they're at war. This is the same, but for satellite communications.

swayvil 2y ago
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- bpodgursky 2y ago
  What

petre 2y ago

> Jammers are forbidden by most countries Russia is jamming their Western neighbours' GPS. I can't wait for US microwave weapons that fry their satellites.

Afforess 2y ago
You can’t wait for escalation? Are you pro-war???
- deleted 2y ago
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- dralley 2y ago
  They're currently shipping North Korean soldiers in to assist their invasion of Ukraine. That's a rather significant "escalation".
  - MaxPock 2y ago
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    - Sabinus 2y ago
      The South Korean intelligence agencies state that NK troops are going into Russia. Ukraine has no influence over SK or their intelligence agencies.
  - bev-erage 2y ago
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  - metalman 2y ago
    no they are not thats dumb but what is most assuredly happening, useing the most correct military protocols,is that Russia is hosting military attaché's from China and many others ,ie non combatant oficers who can watch and learn how to combat western weapons and tactics and as its turned into drone war 1,everybody has to recalibrate,with the brick's block(heh heh) all realy realy glad it isnt them getting droned to bits Russia is training some north Korean troops,but its likely going to be realy basic stuff fof joint border patrols and all in all a pr stick in the eye for the collective west

tullianus 2y ago

The jammer under discussion is not a satellite. It is a ground-based system that jams satellites. Did you read the article? There's even a photo of the system right at the top.

sharpshadow 2y ago
Damn I’m sorry.. the picture was blurry on the device I used since no JS and it was just the free part of the whole article. I was sloppy at the end of the workday and the weekend ahead. Probably also biased towards a satellite with jammers.

grayfaced 2y ago

Jammers are only illegal in the civilian legal context. I'm not aware of anything that makes jammers inherently illegal by broader law of armed conflict. Necessity and proportionality comes into play. Targeted jamming of military communications would certainly be allowed. Jamming of dual-use satellites becomes more nuanced.