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> Based on the fact that easily 90+% of phones I see in the wild have cases on them, physical size and thickness isn't a big factor Well, people are probably g

> Based on the fact that easily 90+% of phones I see in the wild have cases on them, physical size and thickness isn't a big factor Well, people are probably going to put cases on their phone regardless, so the phone has to be thin enough that even with a case it's still a manageable size. But I agree that battery is where phones ultimately fail most of the time. I have had a Samsung S10 for a bit over 5 years now and it is the battery that is going to force me to retire it and get a new one. Speed, storage, screen quality, camera quality are all perfectly fine for my use case. But the battery rarely lasts a full day with any kind of usage now which is annoying. I would love a phone with a replaceable battery. But I agree that the average consumer won't bother, they will just get a new one (or they will have upgraded before battery life ever becomes an issue).

Syonyk 2y ago
So replace the battery? It's not some impossible task. https://www.ifixit.com/products/galaxy-s10-replacement-battery https://www.ifixit.com/products/galaxy-s10-replacement-batte... It's slightly annoying to replace, but even if you have a shop do it, it's far cheaper than a new phone. https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Samsung+Galaxy+S10+Battery+Replacement/121826 https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Samsung+Galaxy+S10+Battery+Repl...
- NoboruWataya 2y ago
  I'm aware it can be done and have looked at the page on iFixit, and may end up doing just that. But as well as looking like a bit of a PITA to do it, I'm not particularly confident my phone will be good as new after I melt the glue and pry it open. My point is that it would be great if replacing the battery was as simple as clicking off (or even unscrewing) the case and taking it out, like it used to be. Granted, I probably couldn't take my phone swimming with me, but I think I could get over that.
marcosdumay 2y ago
People didn't put cases on all phones at the time they could survive small falls and were thick enough to handle.
jandrese 2y ago
IMHO the era of "we assume you're going to have a case on this" was cemented in place the instant the camera bump appeared. If you can't set you phone down on a service without it being all tippy thanks to the off center camera bump then you're clearly expected to stuff it into a case that is at least that thick.
- Syonyk 2y ago
  Yup. I'd rather the phone be that much thicker, loaded with battery.

Syonyk 2y ago

So replace the battery? It's not some impossible task. https://www.ifixit.com/products/galaxy-s10-replacement-battery https://www.ifixit.com/products/galaxy-s10-replacement-batte... It's slightly annoying to replace, but even if you have a shop do it, it's far cheaper than a new phone. https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Samsung+Galaxy+S10+Battery+Replacement/121826 https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Samsung+Galaxy+S10+Battery+Repl...

NoboruWataya 2y ago
I'm aware it can be done and have looked at the page on iFixit, and may end up doing just that. But as well as looking like a bit of a PITA to do it, I'm not particularly confident my phone will be good as new after I melt the glue and pry it open. My point is that it would be great if replacing the battery was as simple as clicking off (or even unscrewing) the case and taking it out, like it used to be. Granted, I probably couldn't take my phone swimming with me, but I think I could get over that.

marcosdumay 2y ago

People didn't put cases on all phones at the time they could survive small falls and were thick enough to handle.

jandrese 2y ago

IMHO the era of "we assume you're going to have a case on this" was cemented in place the instant the camera bump appeared. If you can't set you phone down on a service without it being all tippy thanks to the off center camera bump then you're clearly expected to stuff it into a case that is at least that thick.

Syonyk 2y ago
Yup. I'd rather the phone be that much thicker, loaded with battery.