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Elon Musk's Conversations with Vladimir Putin

91 points by NN88 2y ago

NN88 2y ago
>At one point, Putin asked the billionaire to avoid activating his Starlink satellite internet service over Taiwan as a favor to Chinese leader Xi Jinping, said two people briefed on the request. uh. holy s--t!
- moosedman 2y ago
  The word for this is treason. Arrest him, strip him of his assets, revoke his citizenship, and put him on trial with the death penalty on the table.
  - pikachu786 2y ago
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  - bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago
    Would be the happiest day of my life.
  - akimbostrawman 2y ago
    Being allegedly asked a question is treason?
  - skeledrew 2y ago
    And watch the value of those assets the US gov currently prizes become little more than nothing.
  - inemesitaffia 2y ago
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- SlightlyLeftPad 2y ago
  What the actual F?
- inemesitaffia 2y ago
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moosedman 2y ago
Treason season started early.
- deleted 2y ago
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- schiffern 2y ago
  Under US law, "treason" means either 1) trying to overthrow the government or 2) providing "aid and comfort" to enemies in war. The last time I checked, the US has not declared war with Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason_laws_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason_laws_in_the_United_Sta...
  - dekhn 2y ago
    I think the Logan act is probably more apt? It came up a year ago when this was originally reported https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-21/musk-told-pentagon-staff-he-spoke-to-putin-before-starlink-call https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-21/musk-told...
    - inemesitaffia 2y ago
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  - moosedman 2y ago
    We're well on our way towards war, but also I did add the word early.
  - JojoFatsani 2y ago
    War or not, he is aiding and comforting hostile nations.
    - dzhiurgis 2y ago
      Allegedly. Are you actually unaware he is getting contracts from DOD?
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MilnerRoute 2y ago
Non-paywalled link https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/elon-musk-s-secret-conversations-with-vladimir-putin/ar-AA1sSO1O https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/elon-musk-s-secret...
MilnerRoute 2y ago
That puts this story in a new light. "In October 2023, Musk shared a meme to his millions of followers" that according to leaked documents obtained by a number of European media outlets "was put together by none other than the Social Design Agency" -- a Moscow-based group accused by the U.S. of orchestrating a "persistent foreign malign influence campaign" on behalf of the Kremlin. https://futurism.com/the-byte/elon-musk-shared-putin-propaganda-meme https://futurism.com/the-byte/elon-musk-shared-putin-propaga...
- libertine 2y ago
  I think the most obvious thing has been the volume of Russian propaganda bots that flooded Twitter since Elon acquired it. We're talking about accounts posing as US citizens, for example, spreading disinformation. It was like a backdoor was opened for this sort of thing to flow unchecked.
  - lawn 2y ago
    Musk financing the purchase of Twitter using Russian oligarchs is an even bigger proof.
    - blooalien 2y ago
      Yeah, and Russia "mysteriously" getting more and more "illegal" StarLink terminals / access... Can't Musk cut off their service (since they're sanctioned and supposedly "illegally" using the service / equipment)?
      - inemesitaffia 2y ago
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        libertine 2y ago
        It's quite mysterious how an internet service provider isn't aware of their devices being used in an active warzone at the hands of war criminals and doesn't seem to care that much to see if their devices are violating sanctions or not. It's almost like you're saying that Starlink is a risk to national and international security because any terrorist group can use it unchecked. Except when Putin requested him not to deploy Starlink on Taiwan, and looks like Elon complied: https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/4938264 https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/4938264 If it's Russia using them on the battlefield, "oh anyone can use it it's a retail product"... if it's Taiwan "well it's complicated"... So maybe you're right, Starlink should become heavily regulated moving forward. I'm all for the law taking action on these matters. If there's corruption at play, let it come to light.
BoredPositron 2y ago
Speed running being Henry Ford any %.
aspenmayer 2y ago
https://archive.is/CsaUx https://archive.is/CsaUx
breadwinner 2y ago
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason. [1] To "adhere" means to support or be loyal to. In this context, it refers to someone aligning themselves with the enemies of the U.S., either by joining them or providing help and resources, such as intelligence, weapons, or logistical support. [1] https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?edition=prelim&path=%2Fprelim%40title18%2Fpart1%2Fchapter115 https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?edition=prelim&path=%2Fp...
- moosedman 2y ago
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  - baybal2 2y ago
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- lawn 2y ago
  Sounds like Trump would match this description too with his relationship with Putin, how he sent Covid machines to him instead of the American people, how he's promised to withdraw all support to Ukraine and cripple NATO. Essentially he wants to give Putin everything he asks for.
  - ttyprintk 2y ago
    He’s very protected because less than 2/3 of the Senate voted to convict his impeachable offenses. The reality of Presidential treason depends on his/her reputation among our betters in the Senate.
- Caius-Cosades 2y ago
  Hypothetically speaking, would supporting an entity that attacked an US Navy ship, directly resulting in death of US navy servicemen, constitute as such?
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breadwinner 2y ago
The correct title is Elon Musk's Secret Conversations With Vladimir Putin. Omitting the word "Secret" makes it seem like the conversations were innocuous. Keep in mind that Musk has a security clearance that allows him access to certain classified information. If he is having secret conversations with Putin while possessing classified information that's a problem.
- inemesitaffia 2y ago
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amai 2y ago
"Putin has no common topics to discuss with Scholz now — Kremlin" https://tass.com/politics/1850993 https://tass.com/politics/1850993 That was the answer when the German chancellor was thinking about talking to Putin. So it seems Musk has common topics to talk about with Putin.
adultSwim 2y ago
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IamLoading 2y ago
We call this treason, ok sure. Cant say, I am confused by the word treason these days. You cannot deny the oligarchy thats present, When citizens united is being so aggressively embraced by the big corps, is that not treason? Disclaimer: Compleete neutral. Only alliance is with a MOSFET
karp773 2y ago
Looks like Putin, at 72, still enjoys working with high profile agents personally. What a dedication to the craft.

91 points by NN88 2y ago

NN88 2y ago

>At one point, Putin asked the billionaire to avoid activating his Starlink satellite internet service over Taiwan as a favor to Chinese leader Xi Jinping, said two people briefed on the request. uh. holy s--t!

moosedman 2y ago
The word for this is treason. Arrest him, strip him of his assets, revoke his citizenship, and put him on trial with the death penalty on the table.
- pikachu786 2y ago
  [flagged]
- bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago
  Would be the happiest day of my life.
- akimbostrawman 2y ago
  Being allegedly asked a question is treason?
- skeledrew 2y ago
  And watch the value of those assets the US gov currently prizes become little more than nothing.
- inemesitaffia 2y ago
  [flagged]
SlightlyLeftPad 2y ago
What the actual F?
inemesitaffia 2y ago
[flagged]

moosedman 2y ago

Treason season started early.

deleted 2y ago
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schiffern 2y ago
Under US law, "treason" means either 1) trying to overthrow the government or 2) providing "aid and comfort" to enemies in war. The last time I checked, the US has not declared war with Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason_laws_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason_laws_in_the_United_Sta...
- dekhn 2y ago
  I think the Logan act is probably more apt? It came up a year ago when this was originally reported https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-21/musk-told-pentagon-staff-he-spoke-to-putin-before-starlink-call https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-21/musk-told...
  - inemesitaffia 2y ago
    [flagged]
- moosedman 2y ago
  We're well on our way towards war, but also I did add the word early.
- JojoFatsani 2y ago
  War or not, he is aiding and comforting hostile nations.
  - dzhiurgis 2y ago
    Allegedly. Are you actually unaware he is getting contracts from DOD?

deleted 2y ago

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MilnerRoute 2y ago

Non-paywalled link https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/elon-musk-s-secret-conversations-with-vladimir-putin/ar-AA1sSO1O https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/elon-musk-s-secret...

MilnerRoute 2y ago

That puts this story in a new light. "In October 2023, Musk shared a meme to his millions of followers" that according to leaked documents obtained by a number of European media outlets "was put together by none other than the Social Design Agency" -- a Moscow-based group accused by the U.S. of orchestrating a "persistent foreign malign influence campaign" on behalf of the Kremlin. https://futurism.com/the-byte/elon-musk-shared-putin-propaganda-meme https://futurism.com/the-byte/elon-musk-shared-putin-propaga...

libertine 2y ago
I think the most obvious thing has been the volume of Russian propaganda bots that flooded Twitter since Elon acquired it. We're talking about accounts posing as US citizens, for example, spreading disinformation. It was like a backdoor was opened for this sort of thing to flow unchecked.
- lawn 2y ago
  Musk financing the purchase of Twitter using Russian oligarchs is an even bigger proof.
  - blooalien 2y ago
    Yeah, and Russia "mysteriously" getting more and more "illegal" StarLink terminals / access... Can't Musk cut off their service (since they're sanctioned and supposedly "illegally" using the service / equipment)?
    - inemesitaffia 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - libertine 2y ago
        It's quite mysterious how an internet service provider isn't aware of their devices being used in an active warzone at the hands of war criminals and doesn't seem to care that much to see if their devices are violating sanctions or not. It's almost like you're saying that Starlink is a risk to national and international security because any terrorist group can use it unchecked. Except when Putin requested him not to deploy Starlink on Taiwan, and looks like Elon complied: https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/4938264 https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/4938264 If it's Russia using them on the battlefield, "oh anyone can use it it's a retail product"... if it's Taiwan "well it's complicated"... So maybe you're right, Starlink should become heavily regulated moving forward. I'm all for the law taking action on these matters. If there's corruption at play, let it come to light.

BoredPositron 2y ago

Speed running being Henry Ford any %.

aspenmayer 2y ago

https://archive.is/CsaUx https://archive.is/CsaUx

breadwinner 2y ago

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason. [1] To "adhere" means to support or be loyal to. In this context, it refers to someone aligning themselves with the enemies of the U.S., either by joining them or providing help and resources, such as intelligence, weapons, or logistical support. [1] https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?edition=prelim&path=%2Fprelim%40title18%2Fpart1%2Fchapter115 https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?edition=prelim&path=%2Fp...

moosedman 2y ago
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- baybal2 2y ago
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lawn 2y ago
Sounds like Trump would match this description too with his relationship with Putin, how he sent Covid machines to him instead of the American people, how he's promised to withdraw all support to Ukraine and cripple NATO. Essentially he wants to give Putin everything he asks for.
- ttyprintk 2y ago
  He’s very protected because less than 2/3 of the Senate voted to convict his impeachable offenses. The reality of Presidential treason depends on his/her reputation among our betters in the Senate.
Caius-Cosades 2y ago
Hypothetically speaking, would supporting an entity that attacked an US Navy ship, directly resulting in death of US navy servicemen, constitute as such?
- 2y ago

breadwinner 2y ago

The correct title is Elon Musk's Secret Conversations With Vladimir Putin. Omitting the word "Secret" makes it seem like the conversations were innocuous. Keep in mind that Musk has a security clearance that allows him access to certain classified information. If he is having secret conversations with Putin while possessing classified information that's a problem.

inemesitaffia 2y ago
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amai 2y ago

"Putin has no common topics to discuss with Scholz now — Kremlin" https://tass.com/politics/1850993 https://tass.com/politics/1850993 That was the answer when the German chancellor was thinking about talking to Putin. So it seems Musk has common topics to talk about with Putin.

adultSwim 2y ago

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IamLoading 2y ago

We call this treason, ok sure. Cant say, I am confused by the word treason these days. You cannot deny the oligarchy thats present, When citizens united is being so aggressively embraced by the big corps, is that not treason? Disclaimer: Compleete neutral. Only alliance is with a MOSFET

karp773 2y ago

Looks like Putin, at 72, still enjoys working with high profile agents personally. What a dedication to the craft.