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>it's EU based, cross-border, with all the overregulation, bureaucracy and obstacles that come with that That is because one of those things is not true. It's

by dtquad 2y ago

>it's EU based, cross-border, with all the overregulation, bureaucracy and obstacles that come with that That is because one of those things is not true. It's not very cross-border. The vast majority of Airbus R&D and manufacturing happens in Toulouse and Hamburg with each city focusing on specific plane models. Airbus is incredibly centralized and has been able to take advantage of that to deeply integrate R&D and manufacturing.

KingOfCoders 2y ago
"That is because one of those things is not true." I will keep that in mind when seeing an Airbus Beluga again when in Hamburg.
- eqvinox 2y ago
  All airplane manufacturers have giant supply chains spanning countries… Airbus just considers some of them maybe a bit more "integrated". I.e. the Spanish wing-skin manufacturing unit could just be a separate company. btw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Dreamlifter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Dreamlifter [ed. wrong link]
  - piva00 2y ago
    I feel the main difference is that Boeing's management post McDonnell merge decided to consider their suppliers as simple vendors, spinning off Spirit, and taking away their direct oversight using supply contracts as a backstop. Airbus does more hands-on oversight of their suppliers, they have staff to check their work, is all part of an integrated QA system instead of the hands-off outsourcing approach Boeing took. At least that's what I understand from a very layman view of their processes, would love to be corrected if I'm wrong.
detourdog 2y ago
What a great technical dynamic duo DACHA with French style. My guess is this could only work in the airline industry where an efficient bureaucracy would be a competitive advantage.
benhurmarcel 2y ago
> The vast majority of Airbus R&D and manufacturing happens in Toulouse and Hamburg with each city focusing on specific plane models. A pretty significant part of R&D happens in Filton and Getafe too. And manufacturing is even more distributed. Also, plants do not focus on specific models at all, but more on specific parts and systems, across all models.

by dtquad 2y ago

KingOfCoders 2y ago

"That is because one of those things is not true." I will keep that in mind when seeing an Airbus Beluga again when in Hamburg.

eqvinox 2y ago
All airplane manufacturers have giant supply chains spanning countries… Airbus just considers some of them maybe a bit more "integrated". I.e. the Spanish wing-skin manufacturing unit could just be a separate company. btw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Dreamlifter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Dreamlifter [ed. wrong link]
- piva00 2y ago
  I feel the main difference is that Boeing's management post McDonnell merge decided to consider their suppliers as simple vendors, spinning off Spirit, and taking away their direct oversight using supply contracts as a backstop. Airbus does more hands-on oversight of their suppliers, they have staff to check their work, is all part of an integrated QA system instead of the hands-off outsourcing approach Boeing took. At least that's what I understand from a very layman view of their processes, would love to be corrected if I'm wrong.

detourdog 2y ago

What a great technical dynamic duo DACHA with French style. My guess is this could only work in the airline industry where an efficient bureaucracy would be a competitive advantage.

benhurmarcel 2y ago

> The vast majority of Airbus R&D and manufacturing happens in Toulouse and Hamburg with each city focusing on specific plane models. A pretty significant part of R&D happens in Filton and Getafe too. And manufacturing is even more distributed. Also, plants do not focus on specific models at all, but more on specific parts and systems, across all models.