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>Unlike previous iterations of HarmonyOS, HarmonyOS NEXT no longer supports Android apps. That's kind of big, HarmonyOS would not be just another Android flavo

>Unlike previous iterations of HarmonyOS, HarmonyOS NEXT no longer supports Android apps. That's kind of big, HarmonyOS would not be just another Android flavor anymore. > we're sorry to report that Huawei told us it currently has no plans to offer Harmony OS NEXT outside of China That's to be expected. If you live outside of China and don't know Mandarin, the apps are not usable.

082349872349872 2y ago
thanks; that explains why the en and ru variants of https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/cn/develop/ https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/cn/develop/ have limited information.
Throw83489i7 2y ago
> If you live outside of China and don't know Mandarin Not just that, China has super apps that integrate everything from payments, food delivery, taxi, social media... To single application. Integrating this app directly into OS as a launcher (or shell) kind of makes sense.
- jmclnx 2y ago
  Sounds nice at first until you look to see what places these apps are also linked too in mainland China. But not that it matters in the end considering the chaos the US has where eventually everyone gets to see what we do on our cells to. It is just a matter of speed, China is probably just more efficient.
- numpad0 2y ago
  Are you sure those everything aren't just bunch of third party janky WebViews, only relevant because of private chat app account moat? ("third party" and "private" parts are relevant, IMO, otherwise Twitter superapp-ification had happened years ago)
  - Throw83489i7 2y ago
    Maybe, but that is just implementation detail. My point is that 3td party apps do not make much sense in China. They are useless without support from super app
    - numpad0 2y ago
      That's same everywhere. If your phone didn't support local equivalents of VISA, Google, Uber, iMessage, Amazon, ... it's just Mainland China equivalents of services and slightly different implementation of federated login/payment. People tends to assume that the set of brands they recognize is truly universal and global and others are additive, that's not the reality. There are Chinese regional apk distribution sites for Chinese phones. You don't hear about those(I don't either) because there are near zero communication bandwidth across languages on this planet. That doesn't mean they don't exist.
- 015a 2y ago
  > China has super apps that integrate everything from payments, food delivery, taxi, social media... To single application. I mean, you're simply describing an operating system. The west builds this as an operating system. China builds it as an app. The rise of the Chinese super-apps is literally just a response to the reality that the West, especially Apple, forces everyone they work with to think inside the App box. Uber has to build an app if they want to access Apple's customers; but with the Uber app adding delivery, its also becoming a little Super. The more interesting question is why the west doesn't have super-apps similar to the east. The reality, which I hinted to, is that I think we're starting to see more of them; Uber has delivery, Spotify is adding audiobooks, Google is adding an AI assistant, I think the scope-creep of these apps should give you a clue as to why China built them first. There's certainly cultural aesthetic differences; maybe the west places greater importance on simplicity and focus. I think the bigger reason is market dynamics. The west has a relatively far more competitive market among these goods and services providers. The primary fuel funding technology companies over the past twenty years has been venture capital, which is attracted to younger, newer companies over the old established players. But, venture capital is slowing down, the marketplace is calcifying a bit among the established players, both new ones from the VC boom and old ones which survived it: And now we're starting to see these players branch out from their core competency and become more-and-more super-appy as they pursue greater growth with less fear that a startup is going to drive-by and eat their lunch.
  - bitwize 2y ago
    Part of the motivation for Musk's rebranding of the Great Banality Laser as X is that he wants to turn it into a sort of super-app with payments, shopping, etc. That and he just has a kooky fascination with the letter X.
nashashmi 2y ago
What would they offer outside China? They still don’t have access to android.
- makeitdouble 2y ago
  I never remember the clear lines. I think they're bared from US distribution and PlayStore being Google is a no-go. But they're not banned in the EU nor SEA or anywhere outside the US really, and the open source part of android is also probably fair game. It feels like refocusing on the Chinese market only is a business move more than a limitation of what they can do. Perhaps Xiaomi is putting too much market pressure to make it viable to them ?
  - metalman 2y ago
    [flagged]
  - Al-Khwarizmi 2y ago
    While they can sell phones in the EU, having no access to the closed parts of Android is a big deal, as it brings problems with many everyday needs like banking apps. In my country, Spain, Huawei was the market leader with over 28% market share: https://e00-expansion.uecdn.es/assets/multimedia/imagenes/2019/02/15/15502668882075.gif https://e00-expansion.uecdn.es/assets/multimedia/imagenes/20... Since the ban, their market share suddenly plunged and is now 3%, and obviously the reason is lack of Google services. I myself stopped buying Huawei phones despite thinking that they were far superior to other brands (Xiaomi is a joke compared to the reliability of Huawei products, my 2019 Huawei P30 Pro is still in active use by my wife and its battery lasts for more than a day after close to five years. She didn't want to "update" to a newer Pixel 6 Pro since the battery was much worse). But I don't have time to spend on periodically hacking the phone to get access to Google services when an update makes the previous hack stop working.
- grishka 2y ago
  They do sell quite a lot of Android phones in Russia, but those come without Google apps. They have their own app store, Huawei AppGallery, and I see that logo fairly often next to Apple app store and Google Play.

082349872349872 2y ago

thanks; that explains why the en and ru variants of https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/cn/develop/ https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/cn/develop/ have limited information.

Throw83489i7 2y ago

> If you live outside of China and don't know Mandarin Not just that, China has super apps that integrate everything from payments, food delivery, taxi, social media... To single application. Integrating this app directly into OS as a launcher (or shell) kind of makes sense.

jmclnx 2y ago
Sounds nice at first until you look to see what places these apps are also linked too in mainland China. But not that it matters in the end considering the chaos the US has where eventually everyone gets to see what we do on our cells to. It is just a matter of speed, China is probably just more efficient.
numpad0 2y ago
Are you sure those everything aren't just bunch of third party janky WebViews, only relevant because of private chat app account moat? ("third party" and "private" parts are relevant, IMO, otherwise Twitter superapp-ification had happened years ago)
- Throw83489i7 2y ago
  Maybe, but that is just implementation detail. My point is that 3td party apps do not make much sense in China. They are useless without support from super app
  - numpad0 2y ago
    That's same everywhere. If your phone didn't support local equivalents of VISA, Google, Uber, iMessage, Amazon, ... it's just Mainland China equivalents of services and slightly different implementation of federated login/payment. People tends to assume that the set of brands they recognize is truly universal and global and others are additive, that's not the reality. There are Chinese regional apk distribution sites for Chinese phones. You don't hear about those(I don't either) because there are near zero communication bandwidth across languages on this planet. That doesn't mean they don't exist.
015a 2y ago
> China has super apps that integrate everything from payments, food delivery, taxi, social media... To single application. I mean, you're simply describing an operating system. The west builds this as an operating system. China builds it as an app. The rise of the Chinese super-apps is literally just a response to the reality that the West, especially Apple, forces everyone they work with to think inside the App box. Uber has to build an app if they want to access Apple's customers; but with the Uber app adding delivery, its also becoming a little Super. The more interesting question is why the west doesn't have super-apps similar to the east. The reality, which I hinted to, is that I think we're starting to see more of them; Uber has delivery, Spotify is adding audiobooks, Google is adding an AI assistant, I think the scope-creep of these apps should give you a clue as to why China built them first. There's certainly cultural aesthetic differences; maybe the west places greater importance on simplicity and focus. I think the bigger reason is market dynamics. The west has a relatively far more competitive market among these goods and services providers. The primary fuel funding technology companies over the past twenty years has been venture capital, which is attracted to younger, newer companies over the old established players. But, venture capital is slowing down, the marketplace is calcifying a bit among the established players, both new ones from the VC boom and old ones which survived it: And now we're starting to see these players branch out from their core competency and become more-and-more super-appy as they pursue greater growth with less fear that a startup is going to drive-by and eat their lunch.
- bitwize 2y ago
  Part of the motivation for Musk's rebranding of the Great Banality Laser as X is that he wants to turn it into a sort of super-app with payments, shopping, etc. That and he just has a kooky fascination with the letter X.

nashashmi 2y ago

What would they offer outside China? They still don’t have access to android.

makeitdouble 2y ago
I never remember the clear lines. I think they're bared from US distribution and PlayStore being Google is a no-go. But they're not banned in the EU nor SEA or anywhere outside the US really, and the open source part of android is also probably fair game. It feels like refocusing on the Chinese market only is a business move more than a limitation of what they can do. Perhaps Xiaomi is putting too much market pressure to make it viable to them ?
- metalman 2y ago
  [flagged]
- Al-Khwarizmi 2y ago
  While they can sell phones in the EU, having no access to the closed parts of Android is a big deal, as it brings problems with many everyday needs like banking apps. In my country, Spain, Huawei was the market leader with over 28% market share: https://e00-expansion.uecdn.es/assets/multimedia/imagenes/2019/02/15/15502668882075.gif https://e00-expansion.uecdn.es/assets/multimedia/imagenes/20... Since the ban, their market share suddenly plunged and is now 3%, and obviously the reason is lack of Google services. I myself stopped buying Huawei phones despite thinking that they were far superior to other brands (Xiaomi is a joke compared to the reliability of Huawei products, my 2019 Huawei P30 Pro is still in active use by my wife and its battery lasts for more than a day after close to five years. She didn't want to "update" to a newer Pixel 6 Pro since the battery was much worse). But I don't have time to spend on periodically hacking the phone to get access to Google services when an update makes the previous hack stop working.
grishka 2y ago
They do sell quite a lot of Android phones in Russia, but those come without Google apps. They have their own app store, Huawei AppGallery, and I see that logo fairly often next to Apple app store and Google Play.