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So it's "breaking down" and "malfunctioning" relative to the water needs of the humans living in the affected areas. So this is not in fact any meaningful step

So it's "breaking down" and "malfunctioning" relative to the water needs of the humans living in the affected areas. So this is not in fact any meaningful step change in the system, unless you see providing comfortable amounts of fresh water to all humans living in those specific areas as its purpose.

noselasd 2y ago
Yes, pretty much.
dash2 2y ago
I don't know what water's purpose is in God's eyes, but I think from humans' point of view, we should try and make sure all humans have comfortable amounts of fresh water, and if that will become impossible, that's a problem.
- card_zero 2y ago
  Uh-huh. I'm objecting to phrases that give the impression that something specific and terrifying is happening that might, for instance, kill all life, when what's really happened is that a quango released a report about the ongoing general decline.
  - piva00 2y ago
    Kill all life is absurdly hard to happen until the Sun explodes, life has survived multiple asteroid impacts, massive volcanoes eruptions, a global-scale oxidation event, so on and so forth. The discussion around climate change and breakdown of current climate cycles is always about what's survivable for our current environment and biosphere with humans in it...
    - taylodl 2y ago
      My bar is sustaining civilization, not just sustaining human life. It doesn't take much climate change for civilization to collapse. I'm fascinated by how rarely people think of that!
      - piva00 2y ago
        Completely agree, I think people really don't understand systems to see how fragile civilisation as we know actually is. Breakdown of civilisation will come much, much earlier than any danger to human life going extinct. I think it's also hard for people to grasp the stepwise process for this breakdown, at least from my personal experience I feel most are ignorant about the cycle of increasing social strife across the globe that will happen, a cycle of ever-increasing misery spreading across societies, eroding civil structures, etc.
jmclnx 2y ago
This was my take too. Globally to me, you cannot "waste water", you just can use more that your region can sustain. Where I live, we have plenty of water and the amount will increase as the Earth warms, based upon current theories. But, there is a limit to how much water is treated and the local government refuse to invest in additional treatment. So we have water shortages here even though our lakes and rivers are filled and in some cases a bit overfilled. Eventually people in the Southwest will have to move, along with people in the South. And people think migrations are bad now, wait a few decades.

noselasd 2y ago

Yes, pretty much.

dash2 2y ago

I don't know what water's purpose is in God's eyes, but I think from humans' point of view, we should try and make sure all humans have comfortable amounts of fresh water, and if that will become impossible, that's a problem.

card_zero 2y ago
Uh-huh. I'm objecting to phrases that give the impression that something specific and terrifying is happening that might, for instance, kill all life, when what's really happened is that a quango released a report about the ongoing general decline.
- piva00 2y ago
  Kill all life is absurdly hard to happen until the Sun explodes, life has survived multiple asteroid impacts, massive volcanoes eruptions, a global-scale oxidation event, so on and so forth. The discussion around climate change and breakdown of current climate cycles is always about what's survivable for our current environment and biosphere with humans in it...
  - taylodl 2y ago
    My bar is sustaining civilization, not just sustaining human life. It doesn't take much climate change for civilization to collapse. I'm fascinated by how rarely people think of that!
    - piva00 2y ago
      Completely agree, I think people really don't understand systems to see how fragile civilisation as we know actually is. Breakdown of civilisation will come much, much earlier than any danger to human life going extinct. I think it's also hard for people to grasp the stepwise process for this breakdown, at least from my personal experience I feel most are ignorant about the cycle of increasing social strife across the globe that will happen, a cycle of ever-increasing misery spreading across societies, eroding civil structures, etc.

jmclnx 2y ago

This was my take too. Globally to me, you cannot "waste water", you just can use more that your region can sustain. Where I live, we have plenty of water and the amount will increase as the Earth warms, based upon current theories. But, there is a limit to how much water is treated and the local government refuse to invest in additional treatment. So we have water shortages here even though our lakes and rivers are filled and in some cases a bit overfilled. Eventually people in the Southwest will have to move, along with people in the South. And people think migrations are bad now, wait a few decades.