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Not sure this is really what anyone had in mind when sanctioning Russia? The maintainers probably aren't pleased but can't see a direct route from there to Puti
by fancyfredbot 2y ago
Not sure this is really what anyone had in mind when sanctioning Russia? The maintainers probably aren't pleased but can't see a direct route from there to Putin's opinion of the war in Ukraine.
- lawn 2y ago"Putins opinion on the war he started" undersells the issue that Russia has actively been undermining, killing, and sabotaging in western countries.
- codr7 2y ago[flagged]
- drivingmenuts 2y agoWait ... Western countries killing in Russia? What?! As part of the Cold War, sure, but that's the nature spying; we do it, they do it, everybody does it. Seems like you're implying armed forces level killing in Russia, though. Care to explain that?
- codr7 2y ago[flagged]
- budududuroiu 2y agoSo?
- codr7 2y agoSo pointing fingers and demonizing isn't very constructive.
- Spooky23 2y agoLet the Russians banish western developers from working on Russian projects.
- homebrewer 2y ago[flagged]
- sobellian 2y agoWell, what do you propose? We're obviously far past the point of diplomacy. The sanctions are not designed to change hearts and minds. They're designed to make Russia's war efforts more difficult. The sorry state of affairs is that Russia's government has made itself a huge problem and there are no good solutions.
- 4bpp 2y agoI doubt this particular move will complicate Russia's war efforts in any appreciable way. There is no non-fanciful way in which the named, well-established and closely watched kernel maintainers could have leveraged their status for it, and the tech scene has been one of the remaining bastions of pro-Western sentiment in Russian society. How many young programmers will be disenchanted with the West after hearing of this, and finally relent and answer their government's call to go write software for military drones or whatever?
- sobellian 2y agoWell, this comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41932923 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41932923) seems to indicate that Russian military industrial companies seem to get some use out of contributing to the kernel. As to your question, I cannot answer it to any degree of accuracy and I believe you cannot either.
- Wytwwww 2y agoBecause appeasement generally always works out long-term?
- elzbardico 2y ago[flagged]
- FredPret 2y agoIf America isn’t perfect, does that mean its enemies must be? Surely you don’t live in so simple a world? Anyway, us encroaching on Russian interests (debatable) is hardly an excuse for them to go blowing up a country full of innovent civilians.
- elzbardico 2y ago[flagged]
- lawn 2y ago[flagged]
- protomolecule 2y ago[flagged]
- lawn 2y ago[flagged]
- protomolecule 2y ago[flagged]
- Wytwwww 2y agoThat certainly absolves Sadam of the tens of thousands of murders committed by his government. That's a perfectly reasonable and sane take. Hitler himself faced quite a few false accusations (e.g. even for crimes actually committed by the Soviets). Certainly that would mean that he did nothing wrong according to a troll like yourself?
- TZubiri 2y agoProbably not sanctions, but national security concerns. The former aims to punish and worsen the situation of the other country, the latter aims to reduce the attack vector and improve the situation of the US.
- matrix2003 2y agoIt’s pretty evident at this point that any Russian citizen in Russia or with family in Russia can be coerced, and it’s also pretty clear that Putin specifically does not have good intentions. There are lots of good people there. It’s too bad there is a crazy person at the helm.
- weaksauce 2y agoall you have to look at is the number of russian oligarchs being defenstrated since the invasion began to know that if it served russian aims to inject malware into the kernel somehow via their maintainers it would probably be tried. the maintainers are probably not oligarch level rich so imagine the pressure on them if needed.
- ogurechny 2y agoIt is evident everyone CAN be coerced. Not that everyone WILL BE, because some people still think of themselves as people, not some “honest citizens” or “economic agents”. It is also evident that someone quite far from Russia HAS ALREADY BEEN coerced to make that unannounced change, but you try really hard to look the other way. “Those Linux nerds” were shown who's the boss in the room when it comes to “important matters”. Don't you feel that the form of that change itself is a sign of silent disobedience, and you are expected to participate in public outcry forcing further developments instead of just bending over willingly? It is totally possible that there was some direct intelligence that those accounts can be used in some clandestine operation in the future, probably without even asking some of the owners. After all, spies are #1 information source to other spies, they run the global spectacle together. Still, accepting “this is secret” as an excuse, you are already accepting defeat.
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- type0 2y ago> The maintainers probably aren't pleased but can't see a direct route from there to Putin's opinion of the war in Ukraine. Then they should be reminded that their military is actively using Linux to kill Ukrainian civilians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_Linux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_Linux