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A quick Google search will tell you that Mark’s Gulfstream G650 has tail number N68885. The FAA mandates that the jet broadcast its location over ADS-B, mostly
by mikeocool 2y ago
A quick Google search will tell you that Mark’s Gulfstream G650 has tail number N68885.
The FAA mandates that the jet broadcast its location over ADS-B,
mostly to avoid being hit by other jets.
There are fortunately many websites that aggregate data from honorable volunteers with ADS-B receivers. So much that it’s easy to determine Mark probably took a trip to Cabos in late September.
I suppose it’s not explicitly public that it’s mark’s jet, the FAA has it registered to A7P TRUST CO INC TRUSTEE in Cheyenne, Wyoming. Another quick Google will lead you to an article that talks about how Mark’s last house was sold by an LLC managed by A7P (real estate transactions and their parties are also public data in most US jurisdictions). It’s not as if these accounts were revealing deep secrets, that were otherwise undiscoverable.
I guess now he knows how the rest of us feel about be tracked?
- seb1204 2y agoSeems like A7P is a servicing company for super rich people. I learned about such companies a while ago. They do exist but are not very much known.
- zitterbewegung 2y agoI googled a bit and they are lawyers so they probably setup trusts and LLCs.
- mikeocool 2y agoMusk’s private jets, N628TS and N272BG, are even less obscured — registered to Falcon Landing LLC headquartered at 1 Rocket Road in Hawthorne, California. (If you’re wondering what else might be headquartered there, just take a look at satellite view on Google maps)
- kaypee901 2y agohttps://www.planespotters.net/photo/1613949/n68885-private-gulfstream-g650er-g-vi https://www.planespotters.net/photo/1613949/n68885-private-g...
- taneq 2y agoNext step is to find large flat areas under the their common flight paths and draw giant targeted ads on them.
- stackghost 2y ago>I guess now he knows how the rest of us feel about be tracked? Privacy for me but not for thee. This is the same asshole who called his users dumb fucks for trusting him, ran a PR campaign with slogans like "privacy is dead", got filthy rich by exploiting our personal data, and used that wealth to buy all the mansions around his, for privacy.
- aliasxneo 2y agoBut he’s apologizing for everything now, so it’s ok. /s
- FredPret 2y agoWasn’t he like 21 at the time? We’ve all said some stupid shit and later apologized. The healthiest thing is for everyone to move on.
- johnnyanmac 2y agoAFAIK he didn't move on. He's being tried in real time in multiple countries and still does it. That's part of the problem. I moved on years ago, but he probably still has my data.
- ceejayoz 2y agoAn apology from a serial killer is pretty meaningless if they spend the next twenty years killing people. Same applies here.
- girdie 2y ago[flagged]
- lancesells 2y agohttps://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/18/technology/meta-instagram-investigation-teens.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/18/technology/meta-instagram...
- 31337Logic 2y ago
- SpicyLemonZest 2y agoI don't understand what the gotcha is meant to be here. If someone made a Facebook account posting real time updates every time I step on or off a plane, I'm 90% confident they'd ban it citing some kind of stalking policy and 100% confident that they should ban it.
- salawat 2y agoSo what you're saying is public information shouldn't be public and timely distributed. Interesting.
- tzs 2y agoSo if I parked outside your house and every day when you left I followed you all day as long as you are on public streets or in public places and posted real time everyplace you went would you be OK with that? It's public information.
- superb_dev 2y agoThat’s not already public information. No one on the internet can use a public dataset to watch my location
- yencabulator 2y agoThose datasets are not public because access to them can be sold for a lot of money.
- shiroiushi 2y agoThis is exactly what companies like Facebook do, online. Why do you think it's not OK to do this to the people who run such companies?
- SpicyLemonZest 2y agoNo, again, this is false. Facebook does not provide a public feed of my location or allow other people to do so against my will.
- zitterbewegung 2y agoBezos stopped owning a jet and instead chartering flights which since the jets are owned by companies the Tail number is registered to them and they use what aircraft is available which can make the Tail number be different.
- missedthecue 2y agoHe owns a Gulfstream jet. He bought it in July.
- shiroiushi 2y agoProbably a smart move. Plus, it might have made sense financially: does the guy really fly around so much to make it financially worthwhile to own a jet, instead of just chartering flights as needed? Chartered planes are in the air as much as the owner can rent them out (minus maintenance time), but private planes frequently sit around unused, missing out on potential revenue.
- mikeocool 2y agoBut if you own it, you get to write off its deprecation, maintenance, etc on your taxes!
- votepaunchy 2y agoAs does the Charter company. What is your point?
- mikeocool 2y agoIf I’m a billionaire, I’d rather have the tax write off and own the jet, even though I probably ultimately would save money by chartering. Also who wants to sit in a jet seat that someone else has sat in. Gross.
- paulryanrogers 2y ago
- f33d5173 2y ago> There are fortunately many websites that aggregate data from honorable volunteers with ADS-B receivers. I don't see how that's fortunate. I don't feel any particular need to breach these individuals privacy, and the only use case I can think of for these things is to stalk and harass them. This data ought to be better protected, and the flipancy with which people broadcast it is shameful.
- kstrauser 2y agoI vehemently disagree. Zuckerberg's plane is transmitting its location to anyone who wants to listen. If he doesn't want to be tracked in public, he should try not going out in public. Yes, that's sarcastic. It's still the exact same thing he's been telling us all these years, so I have a hard time scraping up much sympathy for his plight. Being tracked everywhere sucks, doesn't it? Turns out it's not only the tech giants who can cobble that information together.
- bawolff 2y agoI'm no fan of facebook, but its not really the same thing. Facebook isn't tracking your car's location and publicly listing every location you go.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago"publicly", sure. I do find it a bit worse they do it unconsentually to profit off of. For others who may actually want to do stuff to you.
- aspenmayer 2y agoWorse, they're doing it privately for-profit and selling it repeatedly and indirectly via algorithmic ad auctions.
- Kerb_ 2y agoFacebook used to post sites you visited. Not even interacted with by liking, it would show that you have read a certain article. They still collect that information, but they no longer publish it on your feed and rather keep the information to profit off of themselves. It's close enough that I'd say it's the same thing.
- emmelaich 2y agoSomeone tracking a particular other person is stalking and is very different from tracking people en masse for the purposes of advertising. Especially when the later is done typically without human intervention. I really hope nothing happens to these people and if it does I hope whoever tracks them obsessively would feel guilty. Basic humanity.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago>is very different from tracking people en masse for the purposes of advertising. yes, they are public figures who choose to use a private jet. The mass tracking is stealing data from barely consenting users. Very different. > if it does I hope whoever tracks them obsessively would feel guilty. actual stalkers probably feel little remorse. Unreasonable people are unreasonable for a reason.
- sangnoir 2y agoDo you think Mark felt guilty about Cambridge Analytica? Or feels guilty every time a Meta company is subpoenaed because his intentions were purely for advertising? If the potential of individuals being stalked as bad as you say, how much stalking do social media companies enable by their existence? A musician was shot dead after the assailants learned of their location from an Instagram picture - do you think Mark shown basic humanity towards the victim since then?
- FireBeyond 2y ago> I suppose it’s not explicitly public that it’s mark’s jet, the FAA has it registered to A7P TRUST CO INC TRUSTEE in Cheyenne, Wyoming. Another quick Google will lead you to an article that talks about how Mark’s last house was sold by an LLC managed by A7P (real estate transactions and their parties are also public data in most US jurisdictions). It’s not as if these accounts were revealing deep secrets, that were otherwise undiscoverable. Similar with Elon's jet: - was registered to a company with an extremely SpaceX-y name, Falcon Landing... - the address of that company is 1 Space Drive... (edit: it may be Rocket Road) - when you search that address, Google reports, "Businesses associated with this address: SpaceX, Tesla, The Boring Company". "Gee, I wonder whose this could be?"
- RF_Savage 2y agoThis is also why FAA now offers private ICAO numbers for ADS-B use. https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy
- nullfield 2y agoI find this generally unacceptable. The FAA doesn’t need to be providing special services to people who want to alter the rules just because they think they’re more important or special than everyone else. Guess we better pray they don’t alter the deal further. It doesn’t work like this for any other registered government service, from radio licenses to securities brokers; why should it for planes? …and wouldn’t this just be subject to FOIA requests anyway, so that all it does is provide a delay? But again, why should they get special treatment?