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iOS: That’s 100% against the rules. Much like other dark patterns like forcing a sign up or location access as gating to the rest of the app. Or using notificat
by MBCook 2y ago
iOS: That’s 100% against the rules. Much like other dark patterns like forcing a sign up or location access as gating to the rest of the app. Or using notifications for advertising.
Now if only Apple would enforce those (or stop doing them themselves).
- schmidtleonard 2y agoUnenforced rules aren't rules so much as taxes on the honest.
- MichaelZuo 2y agoThat’s a pretty clever phrase!
- potato3732842 2y agoAnd a potential cudgel with which to strike those who's success is inconvenient.
- robertlagrant 2y agoAlso if they're selectively enforced then they are a way to discriminate.
- avandekleut 2y agooof - the app we work on at my company does all of these..
- ahoka 2y agoDid you just have an “Are we the baddies?” moment?
- JacobThreeThree 2y agoThey probably get way more reviews with the prompt, and positive ones, than without it, despite how some morally indignant outlier HN commenters would react.
- MBCook 2y agoOh they absolutely work. And given that ratings are about the only thing that matters in the App Store besides search ads, there is a huge incentive to push for it no matter how horrible it is for the user.
- MBCook 2y agoWell I understand why people don’t like some of them, the truth is the vast majority of the App Store rules are really good as an end user/consumer. Unfortunately Apple doesn’t seem to care unless the rule is really good for Apple.
- rgovostes 2y agoI've thought about starting a page to call out the apps that abuse push notifications for ads to show that Apple isn't enforcing its rule. > 4.5.4 ... Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages. Abuse of these services may result in revocation of your privileges. The worst offender is DoorDash. If you turn off push ads, after you place an order it will prompt you to turn on notifications "to get the latest on your order". Agreeing turns on ads. You get the prompt even if you already have order update notifications enabled.
- Dalewyn 2y agoI block every single notif from nearly every single program on my phone. The only real exceptions are my bank and brokerage and games I play everyday; you know, stuff I actually care about. I haven't lost anything from blocking the rest, and I'm not about to start allowing now. "Notif" because it's Not a question of If I will allow them, also because it's not worthy of being called by a full and proper name.
- dgfitz 2y agoI just don’t install apps.
- MBCook 2y ago4.5.4 was what I was thinking of when I mentioned Apple violating their own rules. They’ve gotten pretty bad about it.
- ChrisMarshallNY 2y agoI got a “rate this app” popup from some Apple app (why should they even care?). Can’t remember which one, though, so it’s pure anecdata. I suspect that some dependency popped it up.
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