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> making me read things I didn't want to read and writing things I didn't want to write How to do things you don't want to do is a fundamental requirement for

> making me read things I didn't want to read and writing things I didn't want to write How to do things you don't want to do is a fundamental requirement for adulthood, and probably the most important skill anyone learns in school

scotty79 2y ago
I absolutely disagree. Adulthood is freedom. It's when you decide what you choose to do. Sometimes things feel like you have to do them but that's just remnants of the conditioning you were moulded by as a child. When you are pressed to the wall you are eventually forced to understand that you don't really have to do them, you just choose to, because however hard they may be it's easier for you than the available alternative. You don't have that level of agency as a child when you are constantly exposed to indoctrination from everybody more powerful than you (which at this stage is pretty much everybody).
- circlefavshape 2y ago
  > Adulthood is freedom. Freedom? That has not been my experience of adulthood. To me adulthood is about making responsible choices based on their consequences for you and the people around you ... which means that the majority of my time is spent doing things that other people need rather than because I want to do them
  - recursive 2y ago
    > To me adulthood is about making responsible choices based on their consequences What is freedom, if not the ability to make those choices?
    - jojobas 2y ago
      "Freedom is the recognition of necessity"
bluecalm 2y ago
That may be your experience. In such case I feel for you. For me doing things I don't want to do take less than an hour a day for my whole adult life. During school it was more like 11 (including going there, homework, other related chores). I hate school system with passion and I feel it was the worst thing that happened to me. I would be better off wandering the streets and getting access to a library.
- jojobas 2y ago
  If you suddenly got a passive source of income matching your best possible salary progression on the condition that you don't work, would you forgo it and keep your work as it is? If your answer is no, you're currently doing things you'd rather not.

scotty79 2y ago

I absolutely disagree. Adulthood is freedom. It's when you decide what you choose to do. Sometimes things feel like you have to do them but that's just remnants of the conditioning you were moulded by as a child. When you are pressed to the wall you are eventually forced to understand that you don't really have to do them, you just choose to, because however hard they may be it's easier for you than the available alternative. You don't have that level of agency as a child when you are constantly exposed to indoctrination from everybody more powerful than you (which at this stage is pretty much everybody).

circlefavshape 2y ago
> Adulthood is freedom. Freedom? That has not been my experience of adulthood. To me adulthood is about making responsible choices based on their consequences for you and the people around you ... which means that the majority of my time is spent doing things that other people need rather than because I want to do them
- recursive 2y ago
  > To me adulthood is about making responsible choices based on their consequences What is freedom, if not the ability to make those choices?
  - jojobas 2y ago
    "Freedom is the recognition of necessity"

bluecalm 2y ago

That may be your experience. In such case I feel for you. For me doing things I don't want to do take less than an hour a day for my whole adult life. During school it was more like 11 (including going there, homework, other related chores). I hate school system with passion and I feel it was the worst thing that happened to me. I would be better off wandering the streets and getting access to a library.

jojobas 2y ago
If you suddenly got a passive source of income matching your best possible salary progression on the condition that you don't work, would you forgo it and keep your work as it is? If your answer is no, you're currently doing things you'd rather not.