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No one? the EU seems to have done well with all of their member states opening boarders to theirs neighboring members.

autoexec 2y ago
No one in the EU has open borders. They have agreements with neighbors, much in the same way you can drive to a neighboring state in the US without much restriction, but interstate travel in the US and citizens of the EU going over the border for a holiday are very different from the situation we have with our southern border (and even with our northern border).
- krisoft 2y ago
  > No one in the EU has open borders. The relevant border policies inside the EU are literally called open borders. I don’t know what would you call open borders if not what we have between EU countries. > interstate travel in the US and citizens of the EU going over the border for a holiday are very different from the situation we have with our southern border This is undeniable.
kmeisthax 2y ago
EU internal migration is relatively non-controversial, at least after the UK left the bloc and people realized how much of a trainwreck leaving the EU would be. Brexit happened mainly because English speakers are painfully stubborn monolingualists. On the other hand, EU external immigration is extremely controversial. Huge parts of the EU have an extreme far-right that's polling extremely well, and the liberal/centrist parties are all bowing to them by basically copypasting their entire external immigration playbook. The two major fronts in the EU immigration debate boil down to "do we just turn away all asylum seekers or do we start deporting citizens we don't like too?" The reason why this happened is that the EU suuuuucks at integrating external migrants, especially from poorer countries. I think I saw a statistic which was that, like, Turks that move to the US hate the shit out of Erdogan as much as native-born Americans do, but those that move to Germany wind up loving him more than those that didn't emigrate[0]. Or something like that. The US at least has family migration, which means we've spent the last 50 years learning how to integrate basically everyone, which is the kind of institutional experience the EU's member states lack. [0] Like to the point of joining hilariously (and illegally) far-right biker gangs
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  Switzerland is part of the Schengen but not the EU, I guess Norway is in that boat also. If we are just talking about open borders, then it isn’t limited to the EU (the UK wasn’t in the Schengen even when it was in the EU).

No one in the EU has open borders. They have agreements with neighbors, much in the same way you can drive to a neighboring state in the US without much restriction, but interstate travel in the US and citizens of the EU going over the border for a holiday are very different from the situation we have with our southern border (and even with our northern border).

krisoft 2y ago
> No one in the EU has open borders. The relevant border policies inside the EU are literally called open borders. I don’t know what would you call open borders if not what we have between EU countries. > interstate travel in the US and citizens of the EU going over the border for a holiday are very different from the situation we have with our southern border This is undeniable.

kmeisthax 2y ago

EU internal migration is relatively non-controversial, at least after the UK left the bloc and people realized how much of a trainwreck leaving the EU would be. Brexit happened mainly because English speakers are painfully stubborn monolingualists. On the other hand, EU external immigration is extremely controversial. Huge parts of the EU have an extreme far-right that's polling extremely well, and the liberal/centrist parties are all bowing to them by basically copypasting their entire external immigration playbook. The two major fronts in the EU immigration debate boil down to "do we just turn away all asylum seekers or do we start deporting citizens we don't like too?" The reason why this happened is that the EU suuuuucks at integrating external migrants, especially from poorer countries. I think I saw a statistic which was that, like, Turks that move to the US hate the shit out of Erdogan as much as native-born Americans do, but those that move to Germany wind up loving him more than those that didn't emigrate[0]. Or something like that. The US at least has family migration, which means we've spent the last 50 years learning how to integrate basically everyone, which is the kind of institutional experience the EU's member states lack. [0] Like to the point of joining hilariously (and illegally) far-right biker gangs

seanmcdirmid 2y ago
Switzerland is part of the Schengen but not the EU, I guess Norway is in that boat also. If we are just talking about open borders, then it isn’t limited to the EU (the UK wasn’t in the Schengen even when it was in the EU).