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Just to add context: "unknown causes" was the leading cause of death for Korean citizens as well in 2023 and not just foreigners. Half of deaths with "unknown
by boodleboodle 2y ago
Just to add context: "unknown causes" was the leading cause of death for Korean citizens as well in 2023 and not just foreigners.
Half of deaths with "unknown causes" is dying from old age. Other factors include SID, etc.
- lubujackson 2y ago"Old age" isn't a cause of death? Maybe more appropriate is "Korea doesn't care about tracking the cause of death." That, or they are butchering foreigners and old people over there.
- duskwuff 2y agoOld age isn't a cause of death. It can be a contributing factor, but it isn't an immediate cause.
- BobaFloutist 2y agoI think they're saying more that when the ultimate cause of a fairly unsurprising death is unclear or ambiguous, unlike saying "CHF" or "Brain Death" as the "cause" like we often do, they just say "unknown." To clarify, heart failure and brain death are going to be part of every death, no matter the ultimate cause, but sometimes if it's a little difficult to pinpoint the actual reason someone whose body was failing kind of across the board died, the doctor declaring death will just pick a failed organ that was clearly linked to the death and point the finger at it.
- southernplaces7 2y ago>To clarify, heart failure and brain death are going to be part of every death Not entirely related to the topic at hand, but i want to mention it as a darkly amusing anecdote: During the heyday of the Soviet NKVD's (predecessor to the KGB) management of Stalin's monstrous purge of Soviet society, hundreds of thousands of people were killed in all sorts of ways. Many of them died by torture or just by being shot illegally (even by Stalinist Soviet standards) Since publicly acknowledging this made for bad optics even in the Stalinist USSR, a very common formal, officially recorded cause of death in these cases was "heart failure". Why? Because whether you shoot, starve, freeze or beat and torture someone to death, their ultimate cause of death involves the stopping of their heart. It's crudely honest for the sake of superficial legality, without being in the least bit truly honest about the context of what was happening.
- Onavo 2y agoWell, they also classify suicides as "fan death", saving face is a big thing in that part of the world . Most likely they do know the real cause but chose not to release it if it's not suspicious.
- boodleboodle 2y agoThis "fan-death-to-cover-up-suicide" is ABSOLUTELY false and is my greatest pet peeve with the English internet. Someone heard East Asians like to save face and came up with this dehumanizing and derogatory theory. Misconceptions of "fan death" predates any suicidal trends in Korea and if there was any connection to suicides we koreans would be the ones talking about it non-stop. > Most likely the do know the real cause but chose not to release it NO!!!! we are regular people with regular emotions, too. Stereotypes you see on the internet are often outdated by decades. In this case it was never even true in the first place.
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- jncfhnb 2y agoFan death predating the rise in suicide trends makes it seem more likely to me that fan death was used to obscure a suicide. What is your perspective on what it is?
- boodleboodle 2y agoAll we know is people were already talking about this in 1910.
- jncfhnb 2y ago
- latentsea 2y agoThe article says: This figure is significantly higher compared to the number of deaths among Korean nationals.
- rightbyte 2y agoWith no old medical journal at hand for foreigners I would anticipate 'unknown death reason' to be higher?