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I don't think you're supposed to merge left when people are merging on the highway into your lane- you have right of way. I find even with the right of way man

by dekhn 2y ago

I don't think you're supposed to merge left when people are merging on the highway into your lane- you have right of way. I find even with the right of way many people merging aren't paying attention, but I deal with that by slightly speeding up (so they can see me in front of them).

sangnoir 2y ago
You don't have a right of way over a slow moving vehicle that merged ahead of you. Most ramps are not long enough to allow merging traffic to accelerate to highway speeds before merging, so many drivers free up the right-most lane for this purpose (by merging left)
- potato3732842 2y ago
  Most ramps are more than long enough to accelerate close enough to traffic speed if one wants to, especially in most modern vehicles.
  - wizzwizz4 2y ago
    Unless the driver in front of you didn't.
- SoftTalker 2y ago
  If you can safely move left to make room for merging traffic, you should. It’s considerate and reduces the chances of an accident.
- dekhn 2y ago
  Since a number of people are giving pushback, can you point to any (California-oriented) driving instructions consistent with this? I'm not seeing any. I see people saying "it's curteous", but when I'm driving I'm managing hundreds of variables and changing lanes is often risky, given motorcycles lanesplitting at high speed (quite common).
  - davidcalloway 2y ago
    Definitely not California but literally the first part of traffic law in Germany says that caution and consideration are required from all partaking in traffic. Germans are not known for poor driving.
    - dekhn 2y ago
      Right- but the "consideration" here is the person merging onto the highway actually paying attention and adjusting, rather than pointedly not even looking (this is a very common merging behavior where I life). Changing lanes isn't without risk even on a clear day with good visibility. Seems like my suggestion of slowing down or speeding up makes perfect sense because it's less risky overall, and is still being considerate. Note that I personally do change lanes at times when it's safe, convenient, I am experienced with the intersection, and the merging driver is being especially unaware.
      - watwut 2y ago
        Consideration is also making space for slower car wanting to merge and Germans do it.
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  - sangnoir 2y ago
    It's not just courteous, it's self serving, AFAIK, a self-emergent phenomenon. If you're driving at 65 mph and anticipate a slow down in your lane due merging traffic, do you stay in your lane and slow down to 40 mph, or do you change lanes (if it's safe to do so) and maintain your speed? Texas highways allow for much higher merging speeds at the cost of far large (land area), 5-level interchanges rather than 35 mph offramps and onramps common in California. Any defensive driving course (which fall under instruction IMO) states that you don't always have to exercise your right of way, and indeed it may be unsafe to do so in some circumstances. Anticipating the actions of other drivers around you and avoiding potentially dangerous are the other aspects of being a defensive driver, and those concepts are consistent with freeing up the lane slower-moving vehicles are merging onto when it's safe to do so.
bastawhiz 2y ago
Just because you have the right of way doesn't mean the correct thing to do is to remain in the lane. If remaining in your lane is likely to make someone else do something reckless, you should have been proactive. Not legally, for the sake of being a good driver.
- dekhn 2y ago
  Can you point to some online documentation that recommends changing lanes in preference to speeding up when a person is merging at too slow a speed? What I'm doing is following CHP guidance in this post: https://www.facebook.com/chpmarin/posts/lets-talk-about-merging-onto-the-freewayone-of-the-most-common-questions-we-get-/3431052326913813/ https://www.facebook.com/chpmarin/posts/lets-talk-about-merg... """Finally, if you are the vehicle already traveling in the slow lane, show some common courtesy and do what you can to create a space for the person by slowing down a bit or speeding up if it is safer. """ (you probably misinterpreted what I said. I do sometimes change lanes, even well in advance of a merge I know is prone to problems, if that's the safest and most convenient. What I am saying is the guidance I have read indicates that staying in the same lane is generally safer than changing lanes, and speeding up into an empty space is better for everybody than slowing down, especially because many people who are merging will keep slowing down more and more when the highway driver slows for them)
  - bastawhiz 2y ago
    > recommends changing lanes in preference to speeding up when a person is merging at too slow a speed It doesn't matter, Tesla does neither. It always does the worst possible non-malicious behavior.
  - jazzyjackson 2y ago
    I read all this thread and all I can say is not everything in the world is written down somewhere

by dekhn 2y ago

sangnoir 2y ago

You don't have a right of way over a slow moving vehicle that merged ahead of you. Most ramps are not long enough to allow merging traffic to accelerate to highway speeds before merging, so many drivers free up the right-most lane for this purpose (by merging left)

potato3732842 2y ago
Most ramps are more than long enough to accelerate close enough to traffic speed if one wants to, especially in most modern vehicles.
- wizzwizz4 2y ago
  Unless the driver in front of you didn't.
SoftTalker 2y ago
If you can safely move left to make room for merging traffic, you should. It’s considerate and reduces the chances of an accident.
dekhn 2y ago
Since a number of people are giving pushback, can you point to any (California-oriented) driving instructions consistent with this? I'm not seeing any. I see people saying "it's curteous", but when I'm driving I'm managing hundreds of variables and changing lanes is often risky, given motorcycles lanesplitting at high speed (quite common).
- davidcalloway 2y ago
  Definitely not California but literally the first part of traffic law in Germany says that caution and consideration are required from all partaking in traffic. Germans are not known for poor driving.
  - dekhn 2y ago
    Right- but the "consideration" here is the person merging onto the highway actually paying attention and adjusting, rather than pointedly not even looking (this is a very common merging behavior where I life). Changing lanes isn't without risk even on a clear day with good visibility. Seems like my suggestion of slowing down or speeding up makes perfect sense because it's less risky overall, and is still being considerate. Note that I personally do change lanes at times when it's safe, convenient, I am experienced with the intersection, and the merging driver is being especially unaware.
    - watwut 2y ago
      Consideration is also making space for slower car wanting to merge and Germans do it.
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- sangnoir 2y ago
  It's not just courteous, it's self serving, AFAIK, a self-emergent phenomenon. If you're driving at 65 mph and anticipate a slow down in your lane due merging traffic, do you stay in your lane and slow down to 40 mph, or do you change lanes (if it's safe to do so) and maintain your speed? Texas highways allow for much higher merging speeds at the cost of far large (land area), 5-level interchanges rather than 35 mph offramps and onramps common in California. Any defensive driving course (which fall under instruction IMO) states that you don't always have to exercise your right of way, and indeed it may be unsafe to do so in some circumstances. Anticipating the actions of other drivers around you and avoiding potentially dangerous are the other aspects of being a defensive driver, and those concepts are consistent with freeing up the lane slower-moving vehicles are merging onto when it's safe to do so.

bastawhiz 2y ago

Just because you have the right of way doesn't mean the correct thing to do is to remain in the lane. If remaining in your lane is likely to make someone else do something reckless, you should have been proactive. Not legally, for the sake of being a good driver.

dekhn 2y ago
Can you point to some online documentation that recommends changing lanes in preference to speeding up when a person is merging at too slow a speed? What I'm doing is following CHP guidance in this post: https://www.facebook.com/chpmarin/posts/lets-talk-about-merging-onto-the-freewayone-of-the-most-common-questions-we-get-/3431052326913813/ https://www.facebook.com/chpmarin/posts/lets-talk-about-merg... """Finally, if you are the vehicle already traveling in the slow lane, show some common courtesy and do what you can to create a space for the person by slowing down a bit or speeding up if it is safer. """ (you probably misinterpreted what I said. I do sometimes change lanes, even well in advance of a merge I know is prone to problems, if that's the safest and most convenient. What I am saying is the guidance I have read indicates that staying in the same lane is generally safer than changing lanes, and speeding up into an empty space is better for everybody than slowing down, especially because many people who are merging will keep slowing down more and more when the highway driver slows for them)
- bastawhiz 2y ago
  > recommends changing lanes in preference to speeding up when a person is merging at too slow a speed It doesn't matter, Tesla does neither. It always does the worst possible non-malicious behavior.
- jazzyjackson 2y ago
  I read all this thread and all I can say is not everything in the world is written down somewhere