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Myspace and Digg dug their own graves though. Myspace had a very confusing UX and Digg gave more control to advertisers. As long as OpenAI dont make huge mista

by sumedh 2y ago

Myspace and Digg dug their own graves though. Myspace had a very confusing UX and Digg gave more control to advertisers. As long as OpenAI dont make huge mistakes they can hold on to their marketshare.

Mistletoe 2y ago
The moat is bigger on MySpace and Digg though since you have user accounts, karma, userbases. The thing with chatbots is I can just as easily move to a different one, I have no history or username or anything and there is no network effect. I don't need all my friends to move to Gemini or Claude, I don't have any friends on OpenAI, it's just a prompt I can get anywhere.
- jart 2y ago
  Digg was basically Reddit except with a single subreddit. Reddit demolished Digg because it offered people fiefs rather than just karma.
  - Terr_ 2y ago
    Reddit had a much better system for commentary, as opposed to just reacting to URLs. Sure, you could comment on Digg, but it was a pain and not good for conversations, and that meant there was less to keep people around when it seemed like the company was started to put their finger on the scales for URL-submissions.
    - AndyNemmity 2y ago
      It wasn't a pain on Digg, and it was equally good at conversations. Reddit did not win due to it's features, it won because Digg said it doesn't matter what the users think, we will redesign the site and change how it works regardless of the majority telling us they don't want it.
      - Terr_ 2y ago
        > It wasn't a pain on Digg, and it was equally good at conversations. No it wasn't, because it wasn't threaded. You had to linearly scan all the comments to see if anyone was replying.
  - downWidOutaFite 2y ago
    Digg just wasn't big enough. Once these networks get to a certain size they're unkillable. Look at all the turmoil reddit went through, a hated redesign, killed 3rd party apps, a whole protest movement, none of it mattered. People bring up digg and friendster but that was 20 years ago when these networks were way smaller. No top 10 social network has died since then.
    - jart 2y ago
      Does Tumblr count? What about Pinterest? And Quora?
      - datadrivenangel 2y ago
        Twitter? Give it time?
  - 0xDEAFBEAD 2y ago
    I believe the big Digg-to-reddit migration happened before you could create your own subreddit.
  - AndyNemmity 2y ago
    Reddit demolished Digg because Digg actively antagonized it's most active users, and the will of the community similar to what X is doing. Reddit had subreddits long before the migration. Reddit was a not very used site that had all the features. It was Digg that made the decisions to force people off of it, not anything reddit did outside of having a space available that worked.
- moralestapia 2y ago
  >it's just a prompt I can get anywhere This broken record is still going at it, going at it, going at it, ... And yet, ChatGPT is number one, by a far margin; where's all of this "people could switch in a day if they wanted"?
  - mplewis 2y ago
    It’s literally the same product as all the other LLM competitors. If you kill ChatGPT, users will be on Claude in about three seconds.
    - moralestapia 2y ago
      [flagged]
  - Mistletoe 2y ago
    I did switch, I don’t use AI often but when I do, I just use Gemini and like it better.
Sabinus 2y ago
OpenAI's revenue isn't from advertising, it should be slightly easier for them to resist the call of enshittification this early in the company history.
- sumedh 2y ago
  > OpenAI's revenue isn't from advertising, OpenAI can become a bigger advertising company than Google. When people ask questions like which product should I buy, ChatGpt can recommend products from companies who are willing to give money to it to have their products recommended by AI.
  - sdesol 2y ago
    This will only work if they can ensure the product that they promote is, in fact, good. Google makes it very clear that what you are seeing is popular (or is a paid ad), but they don't endorse it. ChatGPT is seen as an assistant for many, and if they start making bad recommendations, things can go bad fast.

by sumedh 2y ago

Mistletoe 2y ago

The moat is bigger on MySpace and Digg though since you have user accounts, karma, userbases. The thing with chatbots is I can just as easily move to a different one, I have no history or username or anything and there is no network effect. I don't need all my friends to move to Gemini or Claude, I don't have any friends on OpenAI, it's just a prompt I can get anywhere.

jart 2y ago
Digg was basically Reddit except with a single subreddit. Reddit demolished Digg because it offered people fiefs rather than just karma.
- Terr_ 2y ago
  Reddit had a much better system for commentary, as opposed to just reacting to URLs. Sure, you could comment on Digg, but it was a pain and not good for conversations, and that meant there was less to keep people around when it seemed like the company was started to put their finger on the scales for URL-submissions.
  - AndyNemmity 2y ago
    It wasn't a pain on Digg, and it was equally good at conversations. Reddit did not win due to it's features, it won because Digg said it doesn't matter what the users think, we will redesign the site and change how it works regardless of the majority telling us they don't want it.
    - Terr_ 2y ago
      > It wasn't a pain on Digg, and it was equally good at conversations. No it wasn't, because it wasn't threaded. You had to linearly scan all the comments to see if anyone was replying.
- downWidOutaFite 2y ago
  Digg just wasn't big enough. Once these networks get to a certain size they're unkillable. Look at all the turmoil reddit went through, a hated redesign, killed 3rd party apps, a whole protest movement, none of it mattered. People bring up digg and friendster but that was 20 years ago when these networks were way smaller. No top 10 social network has died since then.
  - jart 2y ago
    Does Tumblr count? What about Pinterest? And Quora?
    - datadrivenangel 2y ago
      Twitter? Give it time?
- 0xDEAFBEAD 2y ago
  I believe the big Digg-to-reddit migration happened before you could create your own subreddit.
- AndyNemmity 2y ago
  Reddit demolished Digg because Digg actively antagonized it's most active users, and the will of the community similar to what X is doing. Reddit had subreddits long before the migration. Reddit was a not very used site that had all the features. It was Digg that made the decisions to force people off of it, not anything reddit did outside of having a space available that worked.
moralestapia 2y ago
>it's just a prompt I can get anywhere This broken record is still going at it, going at it, going at it, ... And yet, ChatGPT is number one, by a far margin; where's all of this "people could switch in a day if they wanted"?
- mplewis 2y ago
  It’s literally the same product as all the other LLM competitors. If you kill ChatGPT, users will be on Claude in about three seconds.
  - moralestapia 2y ago
    [flagged]
- Mistletoe 2y ago
  I did switch, I don’t use AI often but when I do, I just use Gemini and like it better.

Sabinus 2y ago

OpenAI's revenue isn't from advertising, it should be slightly easier for them to resist the call of enshittification this early in the company history.

sumedh 2y ago
> OpenAI's revenue isn't from advertising, OpenAI can become a bigger advertising company than Google. When people ask questions like which product should I buy, ChatGpt can recommend products from companies who are willing to give money to it to have their products recommended by AI.
- sdesol 2y ago
  This will only work if they can ensure the product that they promote is, in fact, good. Google makes it very clear that what you are seeing is popular (or is a paid ad), but they don't endorse it. ChatGPT is seen as an assistant for many, and if they start making bad recommendations, things can go bad fast.