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I mean it's still not an impassibly strong moat. If it were, we'd all still be on MySpace and Digg.

qeternity 2y ago
As model performance converges, it becomes the strongest moat. Why go to Claude for a marginally better model when you have the ChatGPT app downloaded and all your chat history there.
- segasaturn 2y ago
  I actually pre-emptively deleted ChatGPT and my account recently as I suspect that they're going to start aggressively putting ads and user tracking into the site and apps to build revenue. I also bet that if they do go through with putting ads into the app that daily user numbers will drop sharply - one of ChatGPT's biggest draws is its clean, no-nonsense UX. There are plenty of competitors that are as good as o1 so I have lots of choices to jump ship to.
  - rbjorklin 2y ago
    The day LLM responses start containing product placements is not far now.
    - Terr_ 2y ago
      And some of them will be from poisoned data, not just an explicit prompt by the site-owner.
    - Terr_ 2y ago
      And some of them will be from poisoned data, not just an explicit prompt by the site-owner. A whole new form of spam--excuse me--"AI Engine Optimization."
- cen4 2y ago
  True. ChatGPT has already won me over. I stopped even testing anything else.
- attentive 2y ago
  Do you ever look at your chat history? why? how far back?
sumedh 2y ago
Myspace and Digg dug their own graves though. Myspace had a very confusing UX and Digg gave more control to advertisers. As long as OpenAI dont make huge mistakes they can hold on to their marketshare.
- Mistletoe 2y ago
  The moat is bigger on MySpace and Digg though since you have user accounts, karma, userbases. The thing with chatbots is I can just as easily move to a different one, I have no history or username or anything and there is no network effect. I don't need all my friends to move to Gemini or Claude, I don't have any friends on OpenAI, it's just a prompt I can get anywhere.
  - jart 2y ago
    Digg was basically Reddit except with a single subreddit. Reddit demolished Digg because it offered people fiefs rather than just karma.
    - Terr_ 2y ago
      Reddit had a much better system for commentary, as opposed to just reacting to URLs. Sure, you could comment on Digg, but it was a pain and not good for conversations, and that meant there was less to keep people around when it seemed like the company was started to put their finger on the scales for URL-submissions.
      - AndyNemmity 2y ago
        It wasn't a pain on Digg, and it was equally good at conversations. Reddit did not win due to it's features, it won because Digg said it doesn't matter what the users think, we will redesign the site and change how it works regardless of the majority telling us they don't want it.
        Terr_ 2y ago

As model performance converges, it becomes the strongest moat. Why go to Claude for a marginally better model when you have the ChatGPT app downloaded and all your chat history there.

segasaturn 2y ago
I actually pre-emptively deleted ChatGPT and my account recently as I suspect that they're going to start aggressively putting ads and user tracking into the site and apps to build revenue. I also bet that if they do go through with putting ads into the app that daily user numbers will drop sharply - one of ChatGPT's biggest draws is its clean, no-nonsense UX. There are plenty of competitors that are as good as o1 so I have lots of choices to jump ship to.
- rbjorklin 2y ago
  The day LLM responses start containing product placements is not far now.
  - Terr_ 2y ago
    And some of them will be from poisoned data, not just an explicit prompt by the site-owner.
  - Terr_ 2y ago
    And some of them will be from poisoned data, not just an explicit prompt by the site-owner. A whole new form of spam--excuse me--"AI Engine Optimization."
cen4 2y ago
True. ChatGPT has already won me over. I stopped even testing anything else.
attentive 2y ago
Do you ever look at your chat history? why? how far back?

sumedh 2y ago

Myspace and Digg dug their own graves though. Myspace had a very confusing UX and Digg gave more control to advertisers. As long as OpenAI dont make huge mistakes they can hold on to their marketshare.

Mistletoe 2y ago
The moat is bigger on MySpace and Digg though since you have user accounts, karma, userbases. The thing with chatbots is I can just as easily move to a different one, I have no history or username or anything and there is no network effect. I don't need all my friends to move to Gemini or Claude, I don't have any friends on OpenAI, it's just a prompt I can get anywhere.
- jart 2y ago
  Digg was basically Reddit except with a single subreddit. Reddit demolished Digg because it offered people fiefs rather than just karma.
  - Terr_ 2y ago
    Reddit had a much better system for commentary, as opposed to just reacting to URLs. Sure, you could comment on Digg, but it was a pain and not good for conversations, and that meant there was less to keep people around when it seemed like the company was started to put their finger on the scales for URL-submissions.
    - AndyNemmity 2y ago
      It wasn't a pain on Digg, and it was equally good at conversations. Reddit did not win due to it's features, it won because Digg said it doesn't matter what the users think, we will redesign the site and change how it works regardless of the majority telling us they don't want it.
      - Terr_ 2y ago