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I don't think it's yet even at the level where you can start debating socialism vs. other systems. In India, there are endemic problems with enforcing the law,

I don't think it's yet even at the level where you can start debating socialism vs. other systems. In India, there are endemic problems with enforcing the law, especially with respect to the wealthy/privileged. Just ensuring that no one can flout the law and get away unscathed would go a long way in alleviating these sorts of issues.

kang 14y ago
Rant : There is no implementation of any kind. No scalability of judicial,medical etc systems due to the population, largely self-centered mindset, lack of time to keep up with huge economic gaps, most importantly the country being ruled by goons (more than half of Indian leaders have criminal records). Getting into Indian political system is simply not possible for a person, necessary to initiate a change. Researches study, but the figures they come up are far far away from reality. That is because everything exists on paper just not practically.
- kamaal 14y ago
  >>largely self-centered mindset Can you possibly imagine surviving in that kind of jungle without being self-centered?
  - chii 14y ago
    >Can you possibly imagine surviving in that kind of jungle without being self-centered? i dont' think 'self-centered' is meant as a derogatery term for the indians. Its just an observation, and the cause is poverty. I don't see a solution to this problem, because any solution that is viable, and realistically implementable, will have to be inefficient (due to corruption, and people with power taking advantage of the situation to the dismay of the poorer/powerless ones).
yummyfajitas 14y ago
Could you explain how would enforcing the law against the wealthy/privileged affect this situation at all? Please be specific about the mechanics.
- solutionyogi 14y ago
  I am not the OP but let me try. I agree with the OP in the sense that the biggest problem in India is that if you are rich, you don't have to worry about the law. Let me give you couple of examples: 1. The murder of Jessica Lal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jessica_Lal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jessica_Lal Even though the accused is in jail right now, it was not because law enforcement worked. It was because of Indian Media. Read the Wikipedia page to get more details. 2. Almost all Indian politicians are corrupt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_politicians_in_India_charged_with_corruption http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_politicians_in_India_ch... Now, it's one thing to get away with a crime but it's a whole another thing to still be active in politics after your crimes are exposed. E.g. Lalu Yadav was involved in a scam costing government ~190MM. He later became Railway Minister and he is still active. Compare this to US. Eliot Spitzer, a generally honest man, had to quit politics after his sex scandal came out. 3. Salman Khan, a famous Indian actor, was drunk driving and killed a person. He didn't do any jail time. [ http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/sep/28khan.htm http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/sep/28khan.htm ] I grew up in India and I have personally seen how the rich people have used money to circumvent the law. This lack of enforcement against rich people leads to a situation where common people have no respect for the law. And that is why corruption is so rampant in India. IMHO, A law enforcement similar to how it's in USA, will do wonders to India and it's economy. Though I should add that before we adapt strict law enforcement, we have to revamp our ridiculously outdated laws [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Penal_Code http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Penal_Code]. E.g. It was only in 2009 when the law banning gay people was scrapped down. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_377_of_the_Indian_Penal_Code http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_377_of_the_Indian_Penal...
  - yummyfajitas 14y ago
    I'm well aware of corruption and the antics of Salman Khan. I absolutely don't dispute that India needs to fix this problem to make real progress. However, this ignores the question: how would enforcing laws against the wealthy and privileged affect the particular problem we are discussing in this article (wheat rotting while children starve)?
Symmetry 14y ago
Its when you have problems enforcing the law that you most need to start worrying about the size of the government. If you had a process of weird and unfair price supports but a government that functioned pretty well (like we do in the US) then that sort of sucks but its tolerable. When the government is going that but making a mess of it (like in India) then its not so tolerable.
Gormo 14y ago
If what OP said is true, then it seems like the weakness of law enforcement in India is the only thing that prevents these bad policies from causing a full-on disaster. Vigilant enforcement of bad laws is not a good thing.

kang 14y ago

Rant : There is no implementation of any kind. No scalability of judicial,medical etc systems due to the population, largely self-centered mindset, lack of time to keep up with huge economic gaps, most importantly the country being ruled by goons (more than half of Indian leaders have criminal records). Getting into Indian political system is simply not possible for a person, necessary to initiate a change. Researches study, but the figures they come up are far far away from reality. That is because everything exists on paper just not practically.

kamaal 14y ago
>>largely self-centered mindset Can you possibly imagine surviving in that kind of jungle without being self-centered?
- chii 14y ago
  >Can you possibly imagine surviving in that kind of jungle without being self-centered? i dont' think 'self-centered' is meant as a derogatery term for the indians. Its just an observation, and the cause is poverty. I don't see a solution to this problem, because any solution that is viable, and realistically implementable, will have to be inefficient (due to corruption, and people with power taking advantage of the situation to the dismay of the poorer/powerless ones).

yummyfajitas 14y ago

Could you explain how would enforcing the law against the wealthy/privileged affect this situation at all? Please be specific about the mechanics.

solutionyogi 14y ago
I am not the OP but let me try. I agree with the OP in the sense that the biggest problem in India is that if you are rich, you don't have to worry about the law. Let me give you couple of examples: 1. The murder of Jessica Lal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jessica_Lal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jessica_Lal Even though the accused is in jail right now, it was not because law enforcement worked. It was because of Indian Media. Read the Wikipedia page to get more details. 2. Almost all Indian politicians are corrupt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_politicians_in_India_charged_with_corruption http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_politicians_in_India_ch... Now, it's one thing to get away with a crime but it's a whole another thing to still be active in politics after your crimes are exposed. E.g. Lalu Yadav was involved in a scam costing government ~190MM. He later became Railway Minister and he is still active. Compare this to US. Eliot Spitzer, a generally honest man, had to quit politics after his sex scandal came out. 3. Salman Khan, a famous Indian actor, was drunk driving and killed a person. He didn't do any jail time. [ http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/sep/28khan.htm http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/sep/28khan.htm ] I grew up in India and I have personally seen how the rich people have used money to circumvent the law. This lack of enforcement against rich people leads to a situation where common people have no respect for the law. And that is why corruption is so rampant in India. IMHO, A law enforcement similar to how it's in USA, will do wonders to India and it's economy. Though I should add that before we adapt strict law enforcement, we have to revamp our ridiculously outdated laws [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Penal_Code http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Penal_Code]. E.g. It was only in 2009 when the law banning gay people was scrapped down. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_377_of_the_Indian_Penal_Code http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_377_of_the_Indian_Penal...
- yummyfajitas 14y ago
  I'm well aware of corruption and the antics of Salman Khan. I absolutely don't dispute that India needs to fix this problem to make real progress. However, this ignores the question: how would enforcing laws against the wealthy and privileged affect the particular problem we are discussing in this article (wheat rotting while children starve)?

Symmetry 14y ago

Its when you have problems enforcing the law that you most need to start worrying about the size of the government. If you had a process of weird and unfair price supports but a government that functioned pretty well (like we do in the US) then that sort of sucks but its tolerable. When the government is going that but making a mess of it (like in India) then its not so tolerable.

Gormo 14y ago

If what OP said is true, then it seems like the weakness of law enforcement in India is the only thing that prevents these bad policies from causing a full-on disaster. Vigilant enforcement of bad laws is not a good thing.