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Hey, Your lucky, i just made benchmarks all this time :D. Check them out https://snowiiii.github.io/Pumpkin/about/benchmarks.html https://snowiiii.github.io/Pumpkin/about/benchmarks.html

lionkor 2y ago
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- alex_medvedev 2y ago
  Hey, Sorry Im not native english speaker, I will try to fix all grammer issues now thanks :D
kridsdale3 2y ago
I literally said Holy Shit out loud. This is an incredible improvement, and I'll refer to this in the future when I'm asked if we should make something new in Java.
- mouse_ 2y ago
  Yes but also consider the extensibility accessibility Java gave us. EVERYONE was building Minecraft mods back in the beta days. I might go as far as to say that extensibility is what made Minecraft so great.
  - pphysch 2y ago
    No doubt about it. I don't think Minecraft would have gotten as far as fast in the public consciousness without content creators like Yogscast being able to produce so much novel content from modded Minecraft.
  - somat 2y ago
    What I always found surprising was how many minecraft mods there were despite mojang having absolutely no mod support for the game. After learning that to make a minecraft mod the process was basically decompile minecraft fight the terrible names provided by the decompiler to make your changes then recompile it, I lost all interest.
    - nulltxt 2y ago
      Yarn[1] has pretty much fixed this along with fabric. [1] https://github.com/FabricMC/yarn https://github.com/FabricMC/yarn
- alex_medvedev 2y ago
  I was suprised myself thats its that bad. Well optimized binary is that what your CPU loves not a big JVM runtime
- dpedu 2y ago
  Keeping in mind that this server appears to implement only a tiny subset of the features the ones it is benchmarked against do... No lighting, mob spawning, mob ai, redstone functionality, tree or plant growth, water/lava flow, etc.
  - Aeolun 2y ago
    These wouldn’t significantly affect the first 10 chunks loaded?
    - misiek08 2y ago
      More than a "yes, it should". While loading chunks you need to take redstone, nature and mobs into account. If you don’t - you need to find them and resolve at runtime with even bigger costs, relying solely on difference between programming languages in performance.
canucker2016 2y ago
Please, just use one measurement unit across all measurements for easier comparison (i.e. RAM in MB, time in ms). Wow. Pumpkin's runtime is way better (faster, much less RAM used) than the Java versions. Congrats. I wonder what the Kotlin-based Minestom is doing differently that causes it to have numbers between Pumpkin and the Java versions. For comparison's sake, do you have build times for Pumpkin? I'll assume that's where critics may target.
- therein 2y ago
  > For comparison's sake, do you have build times for Pumpkin? I'll assume that's where critics may target. How bad could it be? I cry while async-stripe crate builds.
  - echelon 2y ago
    > I cry while async-stripe crate builds. The build times on async-stripe are inhumane. I wish the project didn't use so much codegen.
  - alex_medvedev 2y ago
    Just tested compile times Compiling from Nothing *Debug:* 10.35sec *Release:* 38.40sec Recompilation (pumpkin crate) *Debug:* 1.82sec *Release:* 28.68sec I will put them into the benchmarks
- tricked 2y ago
  Minestom is not based on Kotlin, im guessing they went with a kotlin template instead. Minestom is a server implementation that doesn't use any Mojang code and by default doesn't do much for you but provides the utilities to add the things yourself.

Hey, Your lucky, i just made benchmarks all this time :D. Check them out https://snowiiii.github.io/Pumpkin/about/benchmarks.html https://snowiiii.github.io/Pumpkin/about/benchmarks.html

lionkor 2y ago

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alex_medvedev 2y ago
Hey, Sorry Im not native english speaker, I will try to fix all grammer issues now thanks :D

kridsdale3 2y ago

I literally said Holy Shit out loud. This is an incredible improvement, and I'll refer to this in the future when I'm asked if we should make something new in Java.

mouse_ 2y ago
Yes but also consider the extensibility accessibility Java gave us. EVERYONE was building Minecraft mods back in the beta days. I might go as far as to say that extensibility is what made Minecraft so great.
- pphysch 2y ago
  No doubt about it. I don't think Minecraft would have gotten as far as fast in the public consciousness without content creators like Yogscast being able to produce so much novel content from modded Minecraft.
- somat 2y ago
  What I always found surprising was how many minecraft mods there were despite mojang having absolutely no mod support for the game. After learning that to make a minecraft mod the process was basically decompile minecraft fight the terrible names provided by the decompiler to make your changes then recompile it, I lost all interest.
  - nulltxt 2y ago
    Yarn[1] has pretty much fixed this along with fabric. [1] https://github.com/FabricMC/yarn https://github.com/FabricMC/yarn
alex_medvedev 2y ago
I was suprised myself thats its that bad. Well optimized binary is that what your CPU loves not a big JVM runtime
dpedu 2y ago
Keeping in mind that this server appears to implement only a tiny subset of the features the ones it is benchmarked against do... No lighting, mob spawning, mob ai, redstone functionality, tree or plant growth, water/lava flow, etc.
- Aeolun 2y ago
  These wouldn’t significantly affect the first 10 chunks loaded?
  - misiek08 2y ago
    More than a "yes, it should". While loading chunks you need to take redstone, nature and mobs into account. If you don’t - you need to find them and resolve at runtime with even bigger costs, relying solely on difference between programming languages in performance.

canucker2016 2y ago

Please, just use one measurement unit across all measurements for easier comparison (i.e. RAM in MB, time in ms). Wow. Pumpkin's runtime is way better (faster, much less RAM used) than the Java versions. Congrats. I wonder what the Kotlin-based Minestom is doing differently that causes it to have numbers between Pumpkin and the Java versions. For comparison's sake, do you have build times for Pumpkin? I'll assume that's where critics may target.

therein 2y ago
> For comparison's sake, do you have build times for Pumpkin? I'll assume that's where critics may target. How bad could it be? I cry while async-stripe crate builds.
- echelon 2y ago
  > I cry while async-stripe crate builds. The build times on async-stripe are inhumane. I wish the project didn't use so much codegen.
- alex_medvedev 2y ago
  Just tested compile times Compiling from Nothing *Debug:* 10.35sec *Release:* 38.40sec Recompilation (pumpkin crate) *Debug:* 1.82sec *Release:* 28.68sec I will put them into the benchmarks
tricked 2y ago
Minestom is not based on Kotlin, im guessing they went with a kotlin template instead. Minestom is a server implementation that doesn't use any Mojang code and by default doesn't do much for you but provides the utilities to add the things yourself.