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#BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban
- bound008 14y agoI didn't know Google+ had trends?
- jmck 14y agoi don't even know why it matters, google fanbois use google+. google employees use google+. most people don't actually use google+.
- drivebyacct2 14y agoThis is fighting stupid with stupid. Oh I know, let's make an online petition to let Apple know how upset we are. Between that and a trending G+ topic, surely they'll change their ways. So that we're clear, since reactionary fanboy downvotes are popular here, I have no desire to part with my beloved Galaxy Nexus or new Macbook Air. I just find it completely inane that this is frontpage HN news.
- lunchbox 14y agoSo you're opposed to boycotts? Or are you criticizing this boycott because it's not (yet) big enough to influence Apple? Lots of boycotts have been successful throughout history, and most of them started small.
- drivebyacct2 14y agoYes. A trending G+ topic is basically equivalent with Rosa Parks. /s. When was the last time an e-petition led to actual change, because I've seen dozens of them signed by huge numbers of people and never any with a tangible effect. But mostly, who honestly thinks Apple is going to change their policy based on a trending topic on G+, they're probably laughing hysterically at it. Pigs will fly before this translates into any measurable decrease in sales or revenue for Apple.
- saket123 14y agoDid you forget about SOPA, when the community united against restrictions forced upon it. It was a silent protest , mostly through petitions.
- drivebyacct2 14y agoYes, I didn't really think about that. However I think a threat to open speech on the Internet and an injunction against a single type of smartphone are likely to evoke a different reaction. If we have every news organization talking about an Apple boycott in a week, I'll happily eat my words. I'll say it again just to C(M)A, I am no fan of Apple doing this and would love to see them accept Android as a competitor instead of trying to litigate-secure their position.
- lunchbox 14y agoEvery movement has to start somewhere. If you felt a company was behaving unethically and wanted to boycott it, what would you do? Would your strategy not involve spreading the word to your friends and followers via social media?
- boredguy8 14y agoWow that live stream update is a nightmare - I keep trying to read what's happened and things get pushed down almost immediately. A clickable (or w/e) "18 new posts" would make it usable.
- saket123 14y agoYou can hit the pause button or scroll down a bit.
- anonymoushn 14y agoAfter scrolling down a bit the content continues to jump, but not by as much.
- ra 14y agoScrolling down a bit doesn't help at all. Where's the pause button? That is unusable.
- zcid 14y agoThe pause button appears after the first time the posts refresh so it won't be there until a few seconds have passed. Look for it top-right over the posts column.
- tkazec 14y agoThere's a big pause button at the very top right of the stream. Once paused, scrolling works great. How is that at all unusable?
- ianstormtaylor 14y ago~ Because the pause button doesn't show up until a new entry is added to the list. Which happens after you've already scrolled down the page, so the pause button isn't even visible when it is rendered. ~ Because the pause button is light gray on white. ~ Because scrolling down the page, which in almost every other scrolling interface prevents any updates from affecting your scroll position (terminal, chat, twitter, etc.) didn't help. ~ Because the page just moves in weird, small jumps and feels like it's broken not like new content is rolling in. (They're actually accounting for huge jumps! and chose instead of move it in tiny glitches...)
- bookwormAT 14y agoIs this somehow started by or otherwise related to Joe Wilcox's boycott? http://betanews.com/2012/06/29/apples-injunction-stopping-galaxy-nexus-sales-is-shameful/ http://betanews.com/2012/06/29/apples-injunction-stopping-ga... http://betanews.com/2012/06/29/preliminary-injunction-bars-galaxy-nexus-but-apple-is-a-loser-for-winning/ http://betanews.com/2012/06/29/preliminary-injunction-bars-g... http://betanews.com/2012/06/09/im-boycotting-apple/ http://betanews.com/2012/06/09/im-boycotting-apple/
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- koala_advert 14y agoNot surprising. If it was trending on Twitter that would be news.
- saket123 14y agoIts surprising because it has stayed their for 2 days. Also most of the technological world (including HN community, based on previous discussion) loath the present patent war which could stifle software innovation based on stupid patents. I wil say Google plus is reflecting the sentiments of Technology Community more then any other social network out there.
- taligent 14y agoBe serious. Google+ we know has a high percentage of technologically savvy users and in particular Android users. I would be surprised if it wasn't a popular topic on there. But it is no way reflective of (a) the general public or (b) the entire IT community.
- saket123 14y agoThe general public does not matter here. This is a technology subject. IT community matters here. As far as entire IT community is concerned I am pretty convinced based on discussions before on HN and other blogs that IT community believes that patent system needs reforms. Taking legal decisions based on broken law is equivalent to injustice. EDIT : Care to explain why you down-voted this comment?
- taligent 14y agoI didn't downvote your comment. I don't see the point in only talking with people you agree with. And I don't think there is anyone that doesn't agree that the patent system needs reforming. But where there is disagreement is whether Apple has the right to defend its work and to what extent.
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- dude_abides 14y agoThe day that there is a #BoycottGoogle+ trending on Facebook/Twitter will be the day Google+ can claim to be truly mainstream!
- saket123 14y agoWhy should a product judge whether its successful or not based on other product. Google plus has some of the most tech savvy users and level of conversation is usually very high. I will say that most early adaptors of G+ are pretty influential in their domains.
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- technoslut 14y ago>Why should a product judge whether its successful or not based on other product. I think it's his intent to show that nobody outside of tech really cares about this. >Google plus has some of the most tech savvy users and level of conversation is usually very high. The 'tech savvy' users are everywhere. What it shows here is what everyone already knew: that much of Google+ consists of Google fans. I'm eager to see when there is a #boycottGoogle or #boycottMotorola for the Xbox ban.
- taligent 14y agoIt wasn't just XBox. It was Windows 7 as well. And I am pretty sure there are a lot of companies e.g. Sony, Sharp, Canon, Nikon, Facebook, Netflix who also must be very anxious at thought of Motorola filing injunctions against them.
- saket123 14y ago>What it shows here is what everyone already knew: that much of Google+ consists of Google fans On the the day New IPad launched , Ipad trended on Google for whole weekend - mostly with people sharing pics of iPad and taking about gorgeous retina display.
- quink 14y agoJust started http://www.reddit.com/r/boycottapple/ http://www.reddit.com/r/boycottapple/ It's about time.
- iamdave 14y agoI realize this has been a community for less than an hour, but eight submissions on the front page of that are single-serving, meme/image macro photos. Just my opinion, but maybe spend these starting hours educating people about the boycott and save the cute photos for later?
- quink 14y agoI know that Hacker News has that 'go, fix it before I care' mentality, i.e. usually someone submits an article they have written or a product they have on Hacker News. But this is reddit, so feel free to submit whatever you have in mind, and there's only so much time I'm going to put into this. Beyond that, 8/21 isn't that bad considering it's reddit we're talking about.
- slater 14y agoNo, it's not.
- baq 14y agoYeah, way too late.
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- taligent 14y agoI am assuming you are going to setup /r/boycottsamsung, /r/boycottgoogle, /r/boycotthtc as well ? Because their FRAND abuses are 1000x worse than what Apple and Microsoft have been doing. When you have governments (FTC, EU) and non-mobile companies (Intel, HP, Cisco etc) complaining you know it's something serious.
- 10dpd 14y agoHas Apple actually posted the cash required to enforce the ban? Until confirmed, this is merely doublethink.
- taligent 14y agoApple posted the bond almost immediately during the Galaxy 10.1 injunction. I see no reason why would it be any different now.
- saket123 14y agoI think the Judge is going to rule tomorrow (yes on Sunday) about a important matter in this case which will open the doors for injunction to be enforced.
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- zhoutong 14y agoI don't understand why #BoycottSomething should be used for protests. Boycotting an influential company is extremely hard. I'm sure that there are more rational ways to protest, instead of trying to boycott a company that actually delivers some of the best products. No company is perfect and Apple's case is just a tip of an iceberg in the whole industry. http://www.dontmakemesteal.com/ http://www.dontmakemesteal.com/ is a good example. We know the movie industry sometimes uses intellectual property rights against their customers but there are good ways to fight back without disregarding the merit of the entire thing.
- shmerl 14y agoIf company behaves indecently (like Apple does) it deserves to be boycotted. The fact that it's influential is even a bigger reason to boycott it. Influential crooks are more dangerous.
- jaebrown 14y agoNot to say you're not right but just about every company behaves indecently. Samsung, Google, Microsoft and others all have their offenses in the people's eye for what is right but this is business and we people should just let it play itself out in court.
- recoiledsnake 14y ago> but this is business and we people should just let it play itself out in court. I'd be okay if the patents in question were not trivial and something really innovative(like RSA). Also, consumers should make decisions based on their convictions too. For example, I shop at CostCo instead of Sam's Club because CostCo treats their employees much better than Walmart(which owns Sams) does. "Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi
- jaebrown 14y agoI totally understand your point but these are the rules in which the game they play in. Each company has the money to make a stand for the change they want to see and if it was truly broken, I think we would see a unified body of tech companies coming together to enforce those changes. Either Congress is not listening or there are some companies that are fine with the current system. The companies I'm referring to are not Patent Trolls because they do not have the money to go toe to toe with a big company like Apple, Samsung, Microsoft or Google when it comes to hiring lobbyist, court fees, legals fee and PR. They're the companies we're speaking of now, that secretly like the current structure. Congress seems to be interested as they have a patent reform bill on the Senate right now. Consumers should take more of a note on issues of the companies and products they buy but I believe in this case it's irrelevant to them. I too choose CostCo over Sam's Club and Meijers over Wal-Mart because of the same thing you brought up. However, our choices are based on how they treat people and not patents on which a company clearly infringed upon. The basis on why they infringed or if it's wrong or not is not for us to decide but for the courts. I don't like the current system either but it is the current system.
- mryall 14y agoMore interesting than a bunch of chatter on Google Plus is this article on Forbes, "Could Steve Jobs actually win his thermonuclear war?": http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/30/could-steve-jobs-actually-win-his-thermonuclear-war/ http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/30/could-steve-jobs-actu... I don't think this will be the last of Apple's actions against Android. When Steve said they'd "patented the hell out of" the iPhone, I got the sense he really wasn't joking.
- magicalist 14y agoThere is no content in that "article". He doesn't even attempt to answer his posed question. It comes up only in the last paragraph and all he concludes is "Apple may be tempted to request preliminary injunctions against newer products". What insight. Gotta get more page views, and based on the comment count vs normal forbes posts, this is the right formula.
- codeka 14y agoThis came up not that long ago on Hacker News. If the article headline is posed as a "yes/no" question, the answer is "no". http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4092880 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4092880
- buro9 14y agoThey've patented the hell out of everything that they've done in the last decade with the iPhone, but the very foundations that they stand on have been patented the hell out of by Motorola, Ericsson, Nokia, etc for the decades prior. Standing on someone else's foundations isn't the best place from which to start a thermonuclear patent war.
- pkulak 14y agoIf you have enough lawyers it is. You can do anything with enough money and lawyers.
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- natarius 14y agoThe Times They Are a-Changin'
- awolf 14y agoOur patent system is insane, granted. But in this case, at least Apple, ya’ know, actually invented some of the stuff they are using against Android.
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- shangaslammi 14y agoHave you actually looked at the four patents used in this litigation? I think it's highly arguable whether Apple really invented any of those concepts.
- taligent 14y agoThere is a clear and well understood process for invalidating those patents - prior art. If you don't believe Apple invented them then come forward and provide some evidence. I would imagine Google and the Android OEMs would throw a few million your way for the trouble.
- tikhonj 14y agoBut that's the problem, isn't it? Even if Google produces prior art, and I wouldn't be surprised if they did (although I haven't actually looked at the patents so I can't be 100% certain), the injunction would still exist. So yes, there is a well understood process for invalidating patents. And that is, no doubt, going to play a major role in the case. But all that comes after the problem itself--the injunction lasts while people are showing prior art and forwarding any other arguments they have. So my complete understanding is as follows: the fundamental problem here is the patent system. The issue is that Apple was able to get weak patents and then is able to use those patents to get an injunction on a product before the patents can get tested in court. This lets them leverage a weak hand and ~$100m to weaken their competition, regardless of the patents' actual validity. This, combined with a bunch of other problems with the patent system (oh, let's patent math as long as it's run on some computer!) is why there is a call for patent reform. The reason people are annoyed with Apple is that, instead of being nice, they're abusing a broken system to damage their competition. Of course, I'm certainly no lawyer and have been following this case only superficially. This is a good summary of what I think is going on, but could have no bearing on reality whatsoever.
- jrockway 14y agoThis is really a non-issue. Tech companies sue each other and get import bans all the time. The victim eventually moves some UI widget three pixels to the right and the import ban is lifted and life moves on. The only real consequence of all this is that lawyers on both sides make a lot of money. Google is not going to stop making Android and Apple is not going to stop making iOS. Both will just advance more slowly because money is being spent on lawyering rather than programming.
- molmalo 14y agoWell, yes, you are right with this in that both will continue to manufacture and litigate each other... Surely, efforts would be better directed against the broken system that is being gamed by those companies, instead of dividing consumer forces, you know: Apple fans vs Google fans vs Microsoft fans vs x Other fans.... It would be much better to have everybody in action vs Broken Patent System.
- ralfn 14y agoIt is generally acknowledged that Apple is at the offense. Google hasnt used IP laws in any way other than defensive. Microsoft strategy is more interesting: they dont block products but rather use liscense fees that are slightly less than the costs of going to court against Microsoft. Eventhough, their patents are hard to enforce, and likely wouldnt win, its irrelevant. So, to compare the behavior to other industries: Microsofts strategy is racketeering Italian mob style "we own this town", while Apple is raging a full on war, with any competitor, much like how a mexican drug cartel operates. Google on the other hand, behaves more like a community bank. The members get free tech, but also take most of the risk, yet if they succeed, end up making Google more profitable. The notion that all three companies are equally abusive, is ridiculus. They are definately operating with different policies. Whether that is due to convience or moral convinctions, is up for debate, but when looking purely at behavior in this space, Google is the good guy...
- raganesh 14y agoSince you are taking Mobster analogy, I'd like to propose one for Google/Motorola: Loan Shark (not a community bank). They pledged to license certain patents in Fair, Reasonable And Non-Discriminatory terms, when they contributed them to Telecom & H.264 patent pools; but now they are not very keen on keeping their commitment.
- gshakir 14y agoGoogle would do the same if they were in Apple's position. So boycotting does not make sense.
- creamyhorror 14y agoSure it does. If this boycott turns out to be effective enough, I think companies thinking of doing what Apple did will think twice before doing it. I doubt it'll actually be effective, but hey, at least it sends a message about how some consumers don't like litigating over software patents.
- thechut 14y agoThat is clearly untrue. When Apple wanted to make a phone they made their ecosystem a jail cell. When Google was in the same position and wanted to make a phone, they started the Open Handset Alliance, and developed free software for manufactures and consumers to use and modify as they see fit. How exactly is that doing the same thing?
- acchow 14y agoI cannot upvote this enough. I for one will never buy another iPhone. But I am in a jail cell. How can I leave iOS? My friend tried once and it bit him in the ass. He lost his iPhone (which never had iOS 5 and thus never had iMessage). But at some point between losing his phone and disabling his sim card, the person who stole/had his phone upgraded to iOS 5 and turned on iMessage. So his stolen/lost phone was now taking all his iMessages. My friend then bought a non-Apple phone and NONE of his friends (including me) that were using iPhones were able to text him. We received messages from him, but all our replies were being sent as iMessages to his stolen/lost phone. He had to change his phone number in the end. Who designs this shit?
- franzus 14y agoIn other news: Katie and Tom are getting a divorce ... Thank you google plus.
- jusben1369 14y agoWait they are? Why wasn't that posted on HN? I'm off to TMZ...... In other news - it matters to Apple. Those that say it doesn't say that simply because they want to believe it doesn't matter to Apple. Who knows the exact day MSFT went from an exciting scrappy start up helping to put a PC in everyone's home and taking on the likes of IBM to the despised Death Star. I don't know - but it always starts with a change in public perception from doer of good to capitalist money hogging evil guy. It always catches the corporation off guard because they haven't really changed any business practises - it's just suddenly they're now Goliath and no longer David in the public eye. I can see Apple winning the battle and losing the war here.
- 51Cards 14y agoThat fact that is trending at all shows that Google+ is not populated entirely by Tech-heads.
- Heinleinian 14y agoFunny, I thought the place to be right now would be "boycott Facebook". Where can I go to find that?
- chmars 14y agoWhy is such a trend on Google+ relevant? As much as I would like to embrace Google+ as a Facebook alternative, Google+ has still a very limited audience – and, of course, a very Android-focus audience … EDIT: Downvoting my comment just because it isn't enthusiastic on Google+? Comm'on!
- msabalau 14y agoIt is appealing to see a down-voting complaint for an unpopular opinion related to a comment which dismisses a trend on Google+ being irrelevant because the network is relatively unpopular. I doubt the 75 million people who use Google+ consider themselves a "very limited audience." Regardless, not a reason for down-voting.
- vacri 14y agoI would have thought using a false claim to denigrate something would be a reason for down-voting.
- mkr-hn 14y agoI downvoted because you presented opinion as fact with nothing to support the claims.
- v0cab 14y agoThe South Korean government (owned by Samsung) has been blocking and putting up barriers to foreign phones for years, including delaying the introduction of the iPhone to South Korea, to give Samsung and co. a chance to develop competitors. I'm glad to see the US government blocking a South Korean product for once, if that is indeed what is happening.
- kitsune_ 14y agoWhere is the evidence that South Korea has blocked foreign phones? I can do the work for you, South Korea for instance banned the sale of games inside the app store for a long time. I have a hard time finding examples where South Korea outright banned phones however. Even if they did, why would you want the US to follow such bad examples. These policies are not healthy in the long term for a variety of reasons. South Korea is a rather protectionist country, and drawing a line between the Chaebols (Huge conglomerates such as Samsung) and the government is often hard. By the way, this is not surprising considering South Korea was a US-backed and sponsored military dictatorship for a long time. However, the iPhone 3GS launched in South Korea 3 to 4 months after its introduction to Europe and the US. Nokia was active there for years. Last time I was in Seoul, the new iPad launched to great fanfare.
- v0cab 14y agoI mean that the phones were blocked for a while, before they were allowed. I'm not American, but still I wouldn't mind seeing these South Korean chaebols get a taste of their own medicine. Protectionism may reduce the overall efficiency of a system, but can be good for the individual actors within that system who implement it. I think Americans are more interested in their livelihoods than in the efficiency of world production. In fact total efficiency should never be our goal; that would make slaves of us all. The original iPhone was blocked from South Korea for quite a while. Here's more info on South Korean protectionism in relation to phones: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125367616595333125.html?mod=djemalertTECH http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125367616595333125.html?mod=...
- MaysonL 14y agoPerhaps Samsung will consider not slavishly copying Apple design for their next products?
- fauigerzigerk 14y agoPerhaps Apple should stop claiming that they invented everything they popularized.
- zeru 14y agoI have a hard time telling if you are serious or not. I hope not.
- briandear 14y agoIn Korea Samsung sells cars that are almost exact copies if American and German models. Korean businesses have no qualms about straight up stealing others designs. For example looking at this car, by a company called Ssangyang, http://www.jeepfan.com/readersjeeps/ians-korando/ http://www.jeepfan.com/readersjeeps/ians-korando/ it's an almost perfect clone of a Jeep CJ-7. This is exceptionally common with Korean Chaebols. Samsung getting sympathy over this is laughable. In Korea Samsung runs over the little guy all the time. It's a highly corrupt, politically nasty company. Spend more than 10 minutes in Korea and people would lose all sympathy for poor little Samsung.
- kristofferR 14y agoWell, to be fair, one of the main reasons for Asia's growth the last decades is exactly the blatant disregard for patents and copyright. Sure, it may feel unfair to the original creators of the products, but it sure has forced them to continually innovate. I'd actually argue that cloning is a positive (as long as you differentiate it sufficiently, don't clone a BMW and call it a BWV) thing for the world. In my opinion, if you can create a better/cheaper version of something, you should be allowed to. And if it's possible to easily duplicate your product and make it cheaper/better somehow (if it isn't better somehow nobody'll buy the clone), it's a strong sign that the original product/business isn't good enough and doesn't deserve to be the leader.
- carlosrg 14y agoThe people that want to boycott Apple don't even buy Apple products. So good luck with that. And besides that, you should know that Google makes a lot more money from iOS than from Android ($10 average from each iOS device vs $2 from each Android device), so if Apple stop selling iOS devices Google would be harmed in their income. At least Apple use legitimate patents, unlike the use of FRAND patents of Samsung and Motorola. Nobody is going to make a #BoycottMotorola for using FRAND patents to ban Xbox 360 in countries like Germany?
- bond 14y ago" I won't bother getting into how the judge who ruled on this injunction is a former lawyer from an intellectual property firm who went after companies for profit." https://plus.google.com/101209004947484771936/posts/XcZFPu8qwpe https://plus.google.com/101209004947484771936/posts/XcZFPu8q...
- bond 14y ago" I won't bother getting into how the judge who ruled on this injunction is a former lawyer from an intellectual property firm who went after companies for profit." https://plus.google.com/101209004947484771936/posts/XcZFPu8qwpe https://plus.google.com/101209004947484771936/posts/XcZFPu8q...
- lnanek2 14y agoWow, so people who want to buy Samsung instead of Apple anyway are going to boycott Apple? Apple is quaking in their boots, I'm sure.
- coopdog 14y agoI was actually thinking of buying a Mac for the first time just last week, even after being outraged by the Galaxy Tab 10.1 thing. They have good hardware and it's Linuxy, but thank you Apple for acting sooner with this Nexus rubbish rather than later.. So there you go, an actual sale lost and I'll remember this for a long, long time
- davidlumley 14y agoWhile I understand your position, I find it interesting that there is no group of people who are similarly angry and loudly boycotting Samsung phones and other products for consistently taking design cues from Apple. I personally don't buy many Samsung products, but if they released something that was a leader in its class (similar to how a Macbook is one of the best laptops you can grab) I know I'd buy it despite their current trend of mirroring Apple's designs.
- mitchty 14y agoSo then you're boycotting Motorola and Google products as well because they had a similar injunction against Apple in Germany right? If not why? I find it amusing how emotional tech people get over these patent wars. Its one companies legal team versus the other over legalities and trivialities. If you looked at how often car companies sued each other over look and feel patents you would realize the whole thing is a non issue. If you want to change things start with the legal frameworks that allow it to happen. Complaining that companies are using every trick available is somewhat of a non surprise. You might want to start with the patent office and their granting of patents though. But "I'll remember this for a long, long time", really? That is quite sad, evaluate technology for its tech, not for the companies legal team. But whatever. Note: I'm not arguing for or against apple or google and their legal teams with this post at all.
- damncabbage 14y agoWhat's the background on https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-aR5Kiv6yGJ8/T_AgxfYEw_I/AAAAAAABKMM/32LqpvZrqY8/s682/aLGOQ.jpg https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-aR5Kiv6yGJ8/T_AgxfYEw_I/A... ? (It's the first time I've seen this comparison.)
- TazeTSchnitzel 14y agoWe've had smartphones as we know them for longer than people seem to acknowledge. Apple just made a slick UI and went with a capacitive touch-screen.
- raganesh 14y agoThat is over-simplification of facts. If that were true, why doesn't Samsung leverage the device shown in the comparison to counter-sue Apple? Edit: Trying to understand the down votes. Would like to hear counter-arguments.
- TazeTSchnitzel 14y agoBecause they aren't copies, they simply have similar designs. By your logic, I suppose Microsoft could sue Apple since Windows Mobile had an applications list.
- raganesh 14y agoExactly. They aren't copies. But MS suing Apple - I don't think my logic has any such implication or connotation. As pointed out in Nilay Patel's article, TouchWiz is an attempt to mimic iPhone look & feel. If Samsung had evolved their original design, which you had pointed out was not a copy, then it is a different story.
- berberich 14y agoNilay Patel at The Verge had a good post[1] about this when it first came up in April 2011. Besides the fact that the F700 was announced at MWC in February 2007 (after the iPhone was announced in January), There are huge differences in the interfaces that matter in trade dress and trademark cases. Basically, you wouldn't confuse an iPhone with an F700, while Samsung seemed to design Touch Wiz specifically to do that. [1]: http://www.theverge.com/2011/04/20/talk-picture-samsung-f700/ http://www.theverge.com/2011/04/20/talk-picture-samsung-f700...
- bearwithclaws 14y agoWhat's the source of this news?
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- nivla 14y agoApple fans supporting Apple's anti-competitive practices? Sounds hypocritical to me. You exaggerate, I exaggerate, everyone exaggerates!
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- shawnee_ 14y agoSomething about Koh's overwhelming bias for Apple seems really suspicious. It's one thing to preeminently ban sales of product A for reason X, but to also ban sales of product B for reason Y where products A and B have the same parent, and where reasons X and Y are completely unrelated? Something is wrong with this picture. What else could be going on? Maybe I have a cynical view of humanity, but I spent a few minutes digging to see if I could find anything on requirements for District Judges to release tax returns (as they are essentially public officials, right?). Couldn't find anything on that, but generic salary data is available: http://www.fjc.gov/history/home.nsf/page/js_3.html http://www.fjc.gov/history/home.nsf/page/js_3.html $175K is probably rather low when you're used to working in the high-stakes world of patent litigation. It'll be interesting to investigate this with more depth. ( Another interesting / related read: http://articles.latimes.com/2009/sep/27/local/me-judges-pay27 http://articles.latimes.com/2009/sep/27/local/me-judges-pay2... )
- raganesh 14y agoIf you are accusing her of bribery, that is a very serious allegation. Imagine if such a thing happens and is eventually exposed. What a scandal would it be. I don't think any large company, let alone Apple, would want to be involved in any such mess.
- wtvanhest 14y agoIt is completely reasonable to investigate bribery where there is a perceived unreasonable decision and a heavy financial motive. Individuals working at large companies do bribe people in a variety of situations. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/30/business/wal-mart-bribery-scandal-complicates-us-expansion-plans.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/30/business/wal-mart-bribery-...
- raganesh 14y agoOkay. Let me qualify my point. I find it hard to believe such a high profile bribery can happen in the US (the article you have posted is a case of bribery by an American company in Mexico). And given Apple's profile and a lot of entities already pursuing their case (ex: NYT's iEconomy series), they would never do such a big blunder.
- siglesias 14y agoI'm wondering what kind of institutional respect for IP and spirit of innovation would lead Samsung to whip up this UI? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGxYZXjXozc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGxYZXjXozc Sure, one can argue that Samsung and Apple both look to a common ancestor for their ideas, but I think Samsung is more insidious than people are willing to admit here.
- aristidb 14y agoThe Galaxy Nexus doesn't use / have that.
- siglesias 14y agoI'm not saying it does. I'm saying Samsung has no shame in copying this closely.
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- VigUi7vv8G2 14y agoNeither did Steve Jobs. What's your point?
- itp 14y agoI'm not sure what that has to do with the most recent injunction against the Samsung Galaxy Nexus. The judge issued the injunction on the strength of U.S. Patent 8,086,604, which "provides convenient access to items of information that are related to various descriptors input by a user, by means of a unitary interface which is capable of accessing information in a variety of locations, through a number of different techniques". The infringing technology is specifically called out as Android's Quick Search Box, which has been present for years. The Apple patent in question is obvious on its face. Off the top of my head, Google Desktop Search, which was released a month or so before Apple filed for the patent, is prior art. Nat Friedman's Dashboard project (http://nat.org/dashboard/ http://nat.org/dashboard/) represents significantly more advanced prior art and predates Apple's patent filing by over a year. Samsung may be insidious, but that's not the issue at play here. The judge ruled that Google's Quick Search Box violates an Apple patent that should never have been issued, and represents a toe hold to go after Android as a whole. This is a farce.
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- jas_strong 14y agoI find it ironic that people use Google+ to protest against this, as Vic Gundotra has alienated me a lot more with his stupid policies than Apple ever has. #BoycottGoogle+
- saket123 14y agoNow its trending on Twitter (at least it shows up on my twitter home page trend as number 7, but these trends change very very quickly). Its still trending on Google plus after 2.5 days. This is going pretty viral. I so wish that this will put some sense into judge and Apple to not ban Galaxy Nexus - a unlock hardware phone which is made for developers, hackers and has pure AOSP experience.
- admiralpumpkin 14y agoOr possibly it will put some sense into Samsung to stop infringing on patents...
- mdkess 14y agoWhat will the immediate consequences be, if the injunction actually goes into effect? I have a ton of questions about this, but basically: - Will Samsung/Google just tweak the software to get around the patent, and continue shipping? - Could Samsung ship the device sans-Software, and have a US based facility install the OS to get around this? - What is the appeal process that Google/Samsung can take? That is, when Samsung files the appeal, how long does it take to be reviewed and considered? Can Apple appeal an appeal? - What is the meaning of this 2014 court date? - What defines the "Galaxy Nexus"? Could they change the colors on it, or tweak the case, and call it a different device to continue shipping? Of course, any answers are basically speculation at this point, but mostly I want to get a feel for some of the possible avenues that the parties have to take.
- mechnik 14y agoGood thinking. I wish a high quality device without pre-installed OS was available. Great specs similar to GNex, at an affordable price comparable to $350 Google charges for unlocked units. Let customers run whatever OS they wish. WebOS, Android, iOS, Windows, any one in particular or all at once.
- alanh 14y agoScrolling through the results, I see: - 50% Star Wars imagery (iPhone as stormtrooper once, but usually that ugly green Android guy using a lightsaber on something representing Apple) - 10% Lord of the Rings imagery - Many posts that “support the cause” without delineating any sort of argument - No one disputing that Samsung ripped off Apple’s designs or patents Interesting.
- sangnoir 14y agoTake a look at the Galaxy Nexus (the phone in question) and tell me which Apple design or patent it infringed. (Bear in mind the unified search patent has prior art - by Google to wit, and is likely to be invalidated)
- saket123 14y agoA recent development on this matter...Samsung has moved to ask the court to stay the injunction http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-demands-apples-galaxy-nexus-ban-be-frozen-01236623/ http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-demands-apples-galaxy-nexus...
- da_n 14y ago"Well it looks like Team Android have conceded a penalty, but the players are crying foul play saying Team Apple dived. Some team Android fans are also attempting to stage a pitch invasion to protest, but are easily held back. Team Apple scores! The game continues..."
- binarycrusader 14y agoYou folks have it all wrong. If anything, more product import blocks need to happen so people will start realizing how busted patents are.
- saket123 14y agoAnother very contentious patent granted to Apple http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4186731 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4186731
- wcdolphin 14y agoIn other news, #boycottApple helped Google+ realize that they need to design at least one feature correctly... If I am viewing a livestream, don't move the box that I am reading from. Goodness gracious.
- ThePherocity 14y agoI'm a huge fan of Google, Apple, Linux, Xbox, and Kindle. Apparently, I need to start insulting and belittling myself or something...
- lolz 14y agoHoly shit, it's trending on Twitter? Well that's going to change the world!
- josteink 14y agoNow also trending on twitter: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4187672 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4187672
- Evbn 14y agoUnclear which is worse for Google: The GN being banned, or customers actually trying to use the GN and experiencing constant crashing...
- 89a 14y agoTrending on Google+? So all 5 Google+ users posted it?