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How is it much greater? Greater, maybe yes, since more decades passed since the Palestinians expulsion. Or maybe not, because Tibetans at least can still live

by g-b-r 2y ago

How is it much greater? Greater, maybe yes, since more decades passed since the Palestinians expulsion. Or maybe not, because Tibetans at least can still live there? Either way, I don't see how can it be much greater

pests 2y ago
This is also not a competition. We can help all these groups. The answer to "lets help group A" shouldn't be "but what about group B". There are tons of groups, from A-Z, who have been wronged in one away or another. To not help one group because so many others are also wronged in maybe worse ways is not productive at all.
- g-b-r 2y ago
  Exactly.
skissane 2y ago
> Or maybe not, because Tibetans at least can still live there? Well, Palestinians do live there: in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, in Israel/Egypt-blockaded Gaza, and in Israel proper, under the name of “Arab citizens of Israel”, many of whom identify as Palestinian While many Arabs fled or were expelled in 1948, not all of them were. Israel wants to call them “Arab citizens of Israel” or “Arab Israelis” not “Palestinians”: some want to go along with that terminological preference, a growing number don’t (Not all Arab citizens of Israel are of Palestinian origin - some of them are Maronite refugees from Lebanon; there are also many Jewish Israelis of Jewish Arab descent, but in an Israeli context they are identified as Jewish not Arab. There are also Arabs in Israeli-occupied Syria, the Golan Heights, the majority of whom don’t have Israeli citizenship, but a minority do.)
- g-b-r 2y ago
  Sure, but a large majority were expelled from where they lived
  - skissane 2y ago
    If you believe Wikipedia’s Palestinian population figures [0] - 3.19 million in West Bank, 2.17 million in Gaza, 2.037 million in Israel proper - that adds up to 7.397 million. Wikipedia gives a total population of 14.3 million worldwide. 7.397/14.3 = 51.7%. So a majority of Palestinians still reside in Israel/Palestine today. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians
    - g-b-r 2y ago
      To "a large majority expelled (from the current Israel) in 1948" you replied with the *current* number of Palestinians in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza?

by g-b-r 2y ago

pests 2y ago

This is also not a competition. We can help all these groups. The answer to "lets help group A" shouldn't be "but what about group B". There are tons of groups, from A-Z, who have been wronged in one away or another. To not help one group because so many others are also wronged in maybe worse ways is not productive at all.

g-b-r 2y ago
Exactly.

skissane 2y ago

> Or maybe not, because Tibetans at least can still live there? Well, Palestinians do live there: in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, in Israel/Egypt-blockaded Gaza, and in Israel proper, under the name of “Arab citizens of Israel”, many of whom identify as Palestinian While many Arabs fled or were expelled in 1948, not all of them were. Israel wants to call them “Arab citizens of Israel” or “Arab Israelis” not “Palestinians”: some want to go along with that terminological preference, a growing number don’t (Not all Arab citizens of Israel are of Palestinian origin - some of them are Maronite refugees from Lebanon; there are also many Jewish Israelis of Jewish Arab descent, but in an Israeli context they are identified as Jewish not Arab. There are also Arabs in Israeli-occupied Syria, the Golan Heights, the majority of whom don’t have Israeli citizenship, but a minority do.)

g-b-r 2y ago
Sure, but a large majority were expelled from where they lived
- skissane 2y ago
  If you believe Wikipedia’s Palestinian population figures [0] - 3.19 million in West Bank, 2.17 million in Gaza, 2.037 million in Israel proper - that adds up to 7.397 million. Wikipedia gives a total population of 14.3 million worldwide. 7.397/14.3 = 51.7%. So a majority of Palestinians still reside in Israel/Palestine today. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians
  - g-b-r 2y ago
    To "a large majority expelled (from the current Israel) in 1948" you replied with the *current* number of Palestinians in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza?