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> Odd statement Its not an odd statement if you can be bothered to read it in context, i.e. this discussion. :) We are talking, here, about somebody who has p

> Odd statement Its not an odd statement if you can be bothered to read it in context, i.e. this discussion. :) We are talking, here, about somebody who has posted a blog post clearly written through the tint of rose-tinted spectacles, trying to convince the world that OpenBSD is the best thing since sliced bread. AND YET Many of the things the author chooses to promote, "Installing OpenBSD can be as easy as just hitting Enter", "I upgraded to 7.6 yesterday, the whole process took less than 20 minutes, was fully automated" etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. are all things that would not have been possible for the author to evangelise about anywhere more than 5 years ago (sysupgrade @ OpenBSD 6.6), and in many respects less than that (lots of other stuff that came much later). Hence my statement ... lets not pretend OpenBSD has always been like this, because it has not. Because, let's be honest, most other mainstream OS's have had, for example, sysupgrade-type capability much-much-much longer than 5 years. The OpenBSD devs could, if they wanted to, have done sysupgrade/syspatch a long-long time ago. But for a long-long time it was nothing but an opinionated decision that they did not. I have recollections of people asking it on the misc mailing list and being shot down by the core-devs.

jmclnx 2y ago
>are all things that would not have been possible for the author to evangelise about anywhere more than 5 years ago So you are complaining OpenBSD is better now then 5 years ago ? This is how software should progess, each release something improves. OpenBSD releases more then 2 release ago are not supported. >would not have been possible for the author to evangelise about anywhere more than 5 years ago (sysupgrade @ OpenBSD 6.6) I upgraded from 6.5 to 6.6, it was easy. The only difference beween then and now was I had to manually remove some files. Some people has to update config. But it was still easy, you just had to follow detailed instructions. https://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade66.html https://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade66.html >Hence my statement ... lets not pretend OpenBSD has always been like this, because it has not. So :) Software is suppose to improve as it is updated, OpenBSD has been improving in spite of the size of their team. >For the past 2 years I've used OpenBSD as my primary OS for work, play, everything. It just works Above quote from the article, he has been on OpenBSD fully for 2 years, so from his prespective it is easy. Yes, many years ago OpenBSD was harder, but now upgrades and installing is close to trivial. So since it is "today" his article is fine by me. Except non-amd64/i386 is much harder, the above is only for amd64 and i386

jmclnx 2y ago

>are all things that would not have been possible for the author to evangelise about anywhere more than 5 years ago So you are complaining OpenBSD is better now then 5 years ago ? This is how software should progess, each release something improves. OpenBSD releases more then 2 release ago are not supported. >would not have been possible for the author to evangelise about anywhere more than 5 years ago (sysupgrade @ OpenBSD 6.6) I upgraded from 6.5 to 6.6, it was easy. The only difference beween then and now was I had to manually remove some files. Some people has to update config. But it was still easy, you just had to follow detailed instructions. https://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade66.html https://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade66.html >Hence my statement ... lets not pretend OpenBSD has always been like this, because it has not. So :) Software is suppose to improve as it is updated, OpenBSD has been improving in spite of the size of their team. >For the past 2 years I've used OpenBSD as my primary OS for work, play, everything. It just works Above quote from the article, he has been on OpenBSD fully for 2 years, so from his prespective it is easy. Yes, many years ago OpenBSD was harder, but now upgrades and installing is close to trivial. So since it is "today" his article is fine by me. Except non-amd64/i386 is much harder, the above is only for amd64 and i386